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re: Violent crime dropped an estimated 3% in the United States last year, FBI crime data shows
Posted on 9/23/24 at 12:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/23/24 at 12:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Covid and George Floyd nonsense.
It had nothing to do with covid
It was all George Floyd and their defund the police campaign.
Liberals said we needed less police and less funding for police. Conservatives said we need more money for police and more police.
Who was right?
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 12:53 pm to Gaggle
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You said you couldn't do observations
You can't, either. I'm using your "logic"
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But you are, you attacked the data of the spike when it was pointed out the many ways the data is manipulatable
Only to refute your "logic"
I clearly stated earlier in this thread a crime spike did occur. I'm not arguing with the data, only bad logic.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 12:54 pm to RLDSC FAN
First, these numbers a very timely in favor of Democrats right before the election.
Hopefully discerning voters will realize that the numbers don't reflect reality.
The reality is that Democrats are allowing millions of illegal immigrants into our country and many of these people are criminals beyond violation of immigration law.
Law enforcement departments are overwhelmed and can't respond to criminal activity in a timely manner because they are understaffed and no one wants to be a cop in an environment in which Democrat DA's are putting criminals back on the streets.
Because police departments are overwhelmed, citizens often don't report crimes because they see no results in doing so.
So many communities find themselves in a Catch 22 situation until laws are actually enforced and criminals are taken off the streets.
Hopefully discerning voters will realize that the numbers don't reflect reality.
The reality is that Democrats are allowing millions of illegal immigrants into our country and many of these people are criminals beyond violation of immigration law.
Law enforcement departments are overwhelmed and can't respond to criminal activity in a timely manner because they are understaffed and no one wants to be a cop in an environment in which Democrat DA's are putting criminals back on the streets.
Because police departments are overwhelmed, citizens often don't report crimes because they see no results in doing so.
So many communities find themselves in a Catch 22 situation until laws are actually enforced and criminals are taken off the streets.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 12:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:But it didn't refute it. I agree with the point entirely that the data is manipulated, even during the spike. My logic never applied to the decrease only, as stated numerous times
Only to refute your "logic"
Do you refute the many ways laid out that make it inherently prone to human manipulation?
Posted on 9/23/24 at 1:02 pm to RLDSC FAN
Bull shite!!
The biggest city from my state…Birmingham, Alabama is on par to break a 91 year record in number of murders.
They must had excluded most Democrat run cities in that data.
The biggest city from my state…Birmingham, Alabama is on par to break a 91 year record in number of murders.
They must had excluded most Democrat run cities in that data.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 1:03 pm to RLDSC FAN
A few things here.
There’s significantly less reporting year over year, predominantly from blue jurisdictions. One study showed roughly 1/3 of PDs representing about 25% of the population stopped submitting crime data to the FBI. This has been pretty well documented. Also, many of these districts are decriminalized certain crimes or refusing to enforce.
This is an engineered talking point designed to give the current regime a “win” that isn’t really there.
There’s significantly less reporting year over year, predominantly from blue jurisdictions. One study showed roughly 1/3 of PDs representing about 25% of the population stopped submitting crime data to the FBI. This has been pretty well documented. Also, many of these districts are decriminalized certain crimes or refusing to enforce.
This is an engineered talking point designed to give the current regime a “win” that isn’t really there.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 1:05 pm to RLDSC FAN
bullshite
Posted on 9/23/24 at 1:16 pm to Vacherie Saint
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One study showed roughly 1/3 of PDs representing about 25% of the population stopped submitting crime data to the FBI. This has been pretty well documented.
Those jurisdictions have had a decrease too, which has also been pretty well documented.
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Also, many of these districts are decriminalized certain crimes or refusing to enforce.
They're not decriminalizing violent crimes.
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This is an engineered talking point designed to give the current regime a “win” that isn’t really there.
This ignores the "loss" the regime received when the crime spiked post-Covid.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 1:24 pm to RLDSC FAN
Are these stats based on convictions or the actual crime? If a violent crime is plead down to a lesser charge, then there is no violent crime. Prosecutor's, Governmental Officials, and Politicians all come out looking like they have solved the crime issues.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 1:52 pm to TooFyeToFly
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What's sad is that people on here have bitched about high crime rate for year, but they get pissed when it comes down during a Democrat's tenure. If you give a shite about public safety, you should want crime to come down regardless of what it means for your favorite politician. Wake up yall.
i remember my first day on TD.com...
Posted on 9/23/24 at 1:57 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
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Memphis must not have been included in that study
Birmingham didn’t get the memo
Posted on 9/23/24 at 1:57 pm to RLDSC FAN
Damn Statistics!
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:09 pm to upgrayedd
the last data the indicated a drop in violent crime had some major metro areas completely excluded from the data set. Besides, in places like NYC and SF, the DAs are completely dropping charges for violent crime.
This is all manipulated data. Most people know it’s all bullshite and that crime hasn’t dropped
-----exactly right
This is all manipulated data. Most people know it’s all bullshite and that crime hasn’t dropped
-----exactly right
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:10 pm to The Torch
Everything is a Lie
---Ergo, that statement is a lie.
---Ergo, that statement is a lie.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:19 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Violent crime dropped an estimated 3% in the United States last year, FBI crime data shows
Trust the science, am i right?
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Those jurisdictions have had a decrease too
Violent crimes like rape and aggravated assault in places like NYC are underreported to the tune of 24-28%. Another deep blue city that uses different statistical definitions than the FBIs UCR Program to make crime stats seem lower than they really are.
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Mayor Adams’ selective disclosures underscore a 12% drop in murders and a 25% reduction in shootings for 2023 yet fail to provide a comprehensive view of violent major crimes since bail reform began in 2020 and throughout his tenure as mayor. Since taking office, there has been a yearly increase in violent major felonies, climbing from 38,645 in 2021 to 45,529 in 2022, and peaking at 46,632 in 2023, which is a 21% increase since his mayoral term commenced. In 2023, the number of violent major felony offenses in NYC surpassed that of any year since 2003.
LINK
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They're not decriminalizing violent crimes.
No shite!??!
I'm obviously making a case that crime, in general, being down is a debatable political talking point and giving examples of how we got here.
quote:Just like bounce-back jobs. Another politicized talking point.
This ignores the "loss" the regime received when the crime spiked post-Covid.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:23 pm to RLDSC FAN
horse shite
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:24 pm to RLDSC FAN
Hasn't this been debunked multiple times already?
over 6000 precincts didn't even report crime data to the FBI, including some of the largest metros in the country.
Something to do with FBI switching to a digital reporting system in like 2021 and most precincts not having the capability\not switching to the new system of reporting yet?
over 6000 precincts didn't even report crime data to the FBI, including some of the largest metros in the country.
Something to do with FBI switching to a digital reporting system in like 2021 and most precincts not having the capability\not switching to the new system of reporting yet?
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:26 pm to TigerMan327
They cook up their own numbers based on their own definitions so they can brag about how they brought crime down when its actually up. Its an old blue tactic... like changing the definition of "vaccine" in real time, or changing "global warming" to "climate change" as temperatures flattened for a decade.
Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:39 pm to At Nowhere
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Are these stats based on convictions or the actual crime? If a violent crime is plead down to a lesser charge, then there is no violent crime. Prosecutor's, Governmental Officials, and Politicians all come out looking like they have solved the crime issues.
FBI NIBRS and UCR Data is based on reported crime. It has nothing to do with prosecutions.
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