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Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:04 am to shiftworker
So the clser to retirement aged workforce received a compromise to help their retirements when the pension program was removed... That is fair
But to act like it should be the standard and USW should drive that is a little asinine.
Also, my understanding is the USW wants the workers to be paid for their fatigue days. Has nothing to do with the workforce being tired and wanting a day off every now and then.
But to act like it should be the standard and USW should drive that is a little asinine.
Also, my understanding is the USW wants the workers to be paid for their fatigue days. Has nothing to do with the workforce being tired and wanting a day off every now and then.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:13 am to brass2mouth
Thank you BOSCEAUX for laying that out for many of the ignorant posters on this thread. I don't understand why people would troll this board and talk shite about "oil field trash" or what ever they want to call people in our industry. Everyone goes to work to support their family. I don't get the animosity towards us. We do hazardous labor and work with potentially deadly chemicals, we are compensated appropriately. I honestly do not believe people outside of the industry understand what we do when we are at work. The strike is a national issue, not exactly something every common Union worker wants to go through. And yes, the last update received stated we are on a rolling extension until negotiations are reviewed this afternoon.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:28 am to jimjackandjose
[quote]So the clser to retirement aged workforce received a compromise to help their retirements when the pension program was removed... That is fair
But to act like it should be the standard and USW should drive that is a little asinine.
Also, my understanding is the USW wants the workers to be paid for their fatigue days. Has nothing to do with the workforce being tired and wanting a day off every now and then.
I am in favor of forced days off. Unpaid is fine by me. Too often I see the guys who simply can't refuse OT no matter how dead tired they are. That's an issue for me when I'm working next to you and your poor decision due to fatigue can cost me my life.
But to act like it should be the standard and USW should drive that is a little asinine.
Also, my understanding is the USW wants the workers to be paid for their fatigue days. Has nothing to do with the workforce being tired and wanting a day off every now and then.
I am in favor of forced days off. Unpaid is fine by me. Too often I see the guys who simply can't refuse OT no matter how dead tired they are. That's an issue for me when I'm working next to you and your poor decision due to fatigue can cost me my life.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:32 am to shiftworker
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am in favor of forced days off. Unpaid is fine by me. Too often I see the guys who simply can't refuse OT no matter how dead tired they are.
Yep, seen it. it is scary.
There is more detail to the fatigue days in question.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:32 am to jimjackandjose
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Also, my understanding is the USW wants the workers to be paid for their fatigue days. Has nothing to do with the workforce being tired and wanting a day off every now and then.
Paid for a required fatigue day if it falls on your scheduled work day. But this not something the individual worker ever wanted to begin with. If you are signing up for overtime or a turnaround, last thing you want to be told is you have to take a day off. This is the union pushing an item because it would require these facilities to hire more workers, which equates to more dues. Fatigue is a fee generating piece of crap USW came up with that screwed current members.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 11:37 am to Shark753
You don't have my animosity. But you don't have my sympathy either. Playing the "people don't understand" card is weak.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:28 pm to CollegeFBRules
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Paid for a required fatigue day if it falls on your scheduled work day. But this not something the individual worker ever wanted to begin with. If you are signing up for overtime or a turnaround, last thing you want to be told is you have to take a day off. This is the union pushing an item because it would require these facilities to hire more workers, which equates to more dues. Fatigue is a fee generating piece of crap USW came up with that screwed current members.
Two things here.
1. We just had workers paid OT for "fatigue days" they were forced to take off. Only after a grievance mind you, but still OT.
2. You can work next to zombies who have lost most of their critical thinking due to fatigue if you like. I'd rather have a semi rested crew around me at least. I like myself too much to work that tired.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:34 pm to brass2mouth
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ExxonMobil in Chalmette just walked though, don't know if that was posted yet.
False...
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:02 pm to shiftworker
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2. You can work next to zombies who have lost most of their critical thinking due to fatigue if you like. I'd rather have a semi rested crew around me at least. I like myself too much to work that tired
Have no problem with a fatigue day off, but why should it be paid, or even worse as overtime?
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:06 pm to ell_13
Not looking for sympathy and not trying to play any type of "card." Im just saying that it is ignorant for people to take humor or badmouth someone else's way of making a living. I doubt that a full fledged nationwide strike will actually happen but there are people who are seriously worried. I am young, single, and have no children to support. Days off means I can get down to delacroix and enjoy this beautiful weather. I can go back to odd jobs to support myself if it comes down to it. Those that have families to take of are not quite in the same boat and I feel for them if it does happen.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:07 pm to Shark753
Havent kept up but what are the chances the union workers striking get the boot and are replaced?
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:18 pm to GREENHEAD22
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Havent kept up but what are the chances the union workers striking get the boot and are replaced?
Close to zero. Canning to large of a percentage of operators from one unit at the same time is asking for things to go boom.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:28 pm to LSU0358
Are refineries that complex you couldn't find a few guys to jump off the union ride and go non union and train the rest? I don't know I work in a different industry.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 1:37 pm to guesswho
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Are refineries that complex you couldn't find a few guys to jump off the union ride and go non union and train the rest?
I don't know about you... but I'd want someone with a lot of experience running a unit that could potentially change the course of the Mississppi river if it went boom.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 2:08 pm to Me Bite
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quote:
ExxonMobil in Chalmette just walked though, don't know if that was posted yet.
False...
My bad, that was the word we got in Norco this morning. Maybe it was just the notice?
Posted on 2/2/15 at 2:16 pm to Tigerpaw123
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quote: 2. You can work next to zombies who have lost most of their critical thinking due to fatigue if you like. I'd rather have a semi rested crew around me at least. I like myself too much to work that tired Have no problem with a fatigue day off, but why should it be paid, or even worse as overtime?
It's a double edged sword and i see both sides of the issue, but I would default to the safer side of rested workers.
Really the only way for this to happen without a shitstorm from the unions is for it to be in the contract or somehow otherwise required by the govt (OSHA). Even then I believe it would possibly need to be in the contract.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 2:19 pm to GeauxElliott
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I don't know about you... but I'd want someone with a lot of experience running a unit that could potentially change the course of the Mississppi river if it went boom.
I work at a place that could do way more damage than that. I never stepped foot in a refinery just a question. Everyone had to start with no experience. So how much experience is necessary to run the unit safely?
Posted on 2/2/15 at 2:21 pm to guesswho
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Are refineries that complex you couldn't find a few guys to jump off the union ride and go non union and train the rest? I don't know I work in a different industry.
They are substantially more complex than the OT would lead you to believe
Posted on 2/2/15 at 2:27 pm to Croacka
Some of the units look like spaghetti bowls. You need a seasoned man on the control board and at least one seasoned man in the field to point noobs in the right direction.
I'll put it this way. If the hydro cracker at Exxon in BR went it would make that natural gas explosion that happened that Christmas Eve look like a firecracker.
I'll put it this way. If the hydro cracker at Exxon in BR went it would make that natural gas explosion that happened that Christmas Eve look like a firecracker.
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