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re: USA Today Complains of Lack of Women and Blacks in Dunkirk
Posted on 7/21/17 at 10:44 am to StrongSafety
Posted on 7/21/17 at 10:44 am to StrongSafety
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What about pandering to a group that has grossly distorted history to its favor and glory?
what group do you speak of, exactly?
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Posted on 7/21/17 at 10:45 am to NIH
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The pandering to a group that represents 13% of the population is hilarious.
"It may also offend some that Nolan's film could take some of the attention away from Oscar-hopeful Girl Trip, which also opens this week"
Posted on 7/21/17 at 10:45 am to jbgleason
Why can't we reimagine him as black? Why can't a non white person play when there plenty of brits of color?
There is no legitimate reason for not having different people play theseFICTIONAL roles
There is no legitimate reason for not having different people play theseFICTIONAL roles
Posted on 7/21/17 at 10:45 am to StrongSafety
Elaborate.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 10:47 am to jbgleason
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*Still really pissed they may cast Idris Ilba in that role and I am a huge fan of his work.
Why? James bond can absolutely be black. Elba will kill it as 007.
James bond can not, however, be a woman. Sorry Charlize.
This post was edited on 7/21/17 at 10:50 am
Posted on 7/21/17 at 10:48 am to Displaced
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James bond can absolutely be black.
James Bond isn't a code name.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 10:52 am to Displaced
Because James Bond is a rich orphan from an upper class British family with an estate in the country side. He went to top notch boarding schools, which explains his culture, and was a Commander in the Royal Navy. He is a white dude. Create a black super agent character if you want but it isn't this one.
Arguing that he is fictional and it doesn't matter is like dropping a white kid into Boyz In The Hood. You could do it but it would be unrealistic and wrong.
Arguing that he is fictional and it doesn't matter is like dropping a white kid into Boyz In The Hood. You could do it but it would be unrealistic and wrong.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 10:52 am to StrongSafety
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Why can't we reimagine him as black? Why can't a non white person play when there plenty of brits of color?
i don't particularly care about James Bond, but he's a white character. why do we have to "re-imagine" him?
you'd be totally cool with turning the Black Panther into a white person, right? no issues with white washing characters?
This post was edited on 7/21/17 at 10:54 am
Posted on 7/21/17 at 10:57 am to jbgleason
quote:all this can still be true if you cast a black dude to play him.
Because James Bond is a rich orphan from an upper class British family with an estate in the country side. He went to top notch boarding schools, which explains his culture, and was a Commander in the Royal Navy
Posted on 7/21/17 at 10:58 am to StrongSafety
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plenty of brits of color?
Not true. Only 3% of Britain's population is black. 86% white.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 11:00 am to Womski
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f you want to showcase blacks in American history, then sounds like we need black directors to find the best stories and make films about them.
All you need to do is find good stories about heroic blacks just as they did in the film about the Red Tails or in the story about the navy diver that lost a leg.
There are great stories about blacks, you don't have to make them up.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 11:00 am to TigerFanInSouthland
Well Brian, I think "Birth of a Nation" and "A league of Their Own" were just fake news.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 11:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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you'd be totally cool with turning the Black Panther into a white person, right? no issues with white washing characters?
White people already turned the Pink Panther into a white guy. White people have to steal everything.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 11:01 am to SlowFlowPro
Not the same, they don't have the same cultural and racial significant. False equivalents. Not even remotely the same.
Why not reimagine him? What cultural significant does he have? It's not like they are making the king of England from 1567 black or Puerto Rican
It's literally taking a fake made up character and the trumplicans start melting like snowflakes.
This is not Hollywood reimagining Egyptians as white men, which is much more offensive because it's an historical and factual LIE. But hey, you're a snowflake if you're bothered by the continued distortion of history
Why not reimagine him? What cultural significant does he have? It's not like they are making the king of England from 1567 black or Puerto Rican
It's literally taking a fake made up character and the trumplicans start melting like snowflakes.
This is not Hollywood reimagining Egyptians as white men, which is much more offensive because it's an historical and factual LIE. But hey, you're a snowflake if you're bothered by the continued distortion of history
Posted on 7/21/17 at 11:03 am to StrongSafety
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This is not Hollywood reimagining Egyptians as white men, which is much more offensive because it's an historical and factual LIE.
We. Wuz. Kangs.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 11:04 am to StrongSafety
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This is not Hollywood reimagining Egyptians as white men, which is much more offensive because it's an historical and factual LIE.
So in regards to the OP, is Dunkirk wrong for their lack of diversity?
Posted on 7/21/17 at 11:05 am to StrongSafety
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, they don't have the same cultural and racial significant. False equivalents. Not even remotely the same.
it is the same you're just adding qualifiers to distance yourself from your prejudice
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Why not reimagine him?
it makes no real sense. he's a classic character with a certain history that only makes sense if he's white
why re-imagine an established character when you're talking about fiction and can create a new one instead?
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It's literally taking a fake made up character and the trumplicans start melting like snowflakes.
Black Panther is fake and made up, too, yet you would take offense if he was re-imagined
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This is not Hollywood reimagining Egyptians as white men, which is much more offensive because it's an historical and factual LIE.
they were closer to white than black (at least for most of Egypt. there was a period when the Nubians were its rulers).
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Both types of genomic material showed that ancient Egyptians shared little DNA with modern sub-Saharan Africans. Instead, their closest relatives were people living during the Neolithic and Bronze ages in an area known as the Levant. Strikingly, the mummies were more closely related to ancient Europeans and Anatolians than to modern Egyptians.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 11:06 am to SlowFlowPro
"Ancient Egyptians were black" is one of the great lies of our time.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 11:07 am to StrongSafety
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There is no legitimate reason for not having different people play theseFICTIONAL roles
There actually is a legitimate reason. If the creator of the character maintains rights over the character and chooses to have the films be true to the character created, then no one can change that character.
I have no problem with Idris and would like to see him play a James Bond-type role. I think he'd be great at it. But, let someone else create that character.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 11:08 am to The Boat
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"Ancient Egyptians were black" is one of the great lies of our time.
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