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re: U.S Home Sales on track for worst year since 1995

Posted on 12/2/24 at 5:15 pm to
Posted by Koach K
Member since Nov 2016
4818 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 5:15 pm to
Clown world.



People wanted this so taking a brass knuckle beating ray Velcoro style should come as no surprise.
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 5:20 pm
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98418 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 5:21 pm to
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At least there was some home growth in 2021 and 2022


Home growth increased in 23 and this year

Always a dumbarse
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24226 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 5:23 pm to
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You have to remember that as long as they can get a house through conveyance, they are reimbursed by HUD for all expenses to foreclose unless it is a conventional loan.


Are most not conventional loans? Or are you talking investment properties and not primary residences?

Why is anyone shocked here? Interest rates spike after years of low interest allowing people to buy above their means essentially, and then we have massive inflation causing homes to cost much more to build. Which equates to a huge percentage of homeowners in a position where selling their home would require a massive increase in a monthly payment to buy something else. Of course sales will drop.

Along with massive inflation, builders are going bigger and bigger and bigger. Its harder to find a neighborhood in a decent area with homes that are under 3000 sq ft now. Whereas even in 2000-2010 homes were often in the 1800-2400 range, now homes tend to be 2600-3500 in midrange "starter" neighborhoods.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182672 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 5:30 pm to
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Are most not conventional loans?



Around 30% are government-backed in some way

The lenders I deal with are mostly FHA lenders. We used to have one client who was only a VA servicer but dropped them when they changed from paying typical reimbursement rates for our services to a flat fee per house rate no matter how much work or how little we did.

The only client I deal with who does mostly conventional is Mr Cooper

I should have clarified that I was speaking from my own experience with the lenders I deal with daily
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 5:30 pm to
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Because everyone wants to live in the ghettos where illegals live


"Mixed Income Housing"
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
49661 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 5:50 pm to
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We’re still several years away from seeing adequate inventory.

You are such a clown. Must be a realtor.

No way this is an inventory problem. It’s 100% an inflation, chickens coming home to roost problem.


While Paul loves to eat extra large sacks of dicks, he is correct in his assessment and if you think inventory is not a problem then I think we’ve identified the actual clown.

Would be sellers don’t list as they can’t afford the current interest rates which keeps that supply off the market. Rising labor and material costs which would include your inflation have caused a lack of new construction has negatively impacted the housing market.

Increasing population and millennials in prime home buying ages have attributed to the lack of housing as builders have not kept up.

Add institutional investors gobbling up large portions of existing and new housing coming online for rent takes all of those units out of the available pool of housing.

And add all those roosting chickens…
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
54878 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:23 am to
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Cause Jose is buying a 3/2 in a good school district


That’s exactly who’s buying them
Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
20884 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 2:53 am to
Seeing junk at $200/ft that is 20% + overpriced
Also see high end around $200/ft but unaffordable due to price point.
Sorry but everyone does not have $700k+ for a 3,100 sq ft house.
Posted by tonydtigr
Beautiful Downtown Glenn Springs,Tx
Member since Nov 2011
6723 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 7:39 am to
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What’s the benefit of high home sales? Could also be negative too right? Since if huge unemployment leads to sales, is that a good thing?



Every time a home sells, a lot of money will change hands. The realtors are the obvious ones, but skilled laborers also benefit from remodeling, as do manufacturing sectors which supply paints, adhesives, lumber, plumbing supplies, etc.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16428 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 7:47 am to
Probably a good thing


Higher interest rates are naturally going to slow home sales. It’s okay
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
73752 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 7:49 am to
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What’s the benefit of high home sales? Could also be negative too right? Since if huge unemployment leads to sales, is that a good thing?


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Every time a home sells, a lot of money will change hands. The realtors are the obvious ones, but skilled laborers also benefit from remodeling, as do manufacturing sectors which supply paints, adhesives, lumber, plumbing supplies, etc.


Yep. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. People buying a home triggers all sorts of economic activity in the community where the home is located even after the builders are done.
Posted by Swagga
504
Member since Dec 2009
19290 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 8:25 am to
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My sister needs more house and she can’t because she’s locked in sub 3.



This is where my wife and I are. Want more space but love our area and really no point with us being locked in at 2.85
This post was edited on 12/3/24 at 8:26 am
Posted by madmaxvol
Infinity + 1 Posts
Member since Oct 2011
22234 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 9:30 am to
It's a complicated tightrope walk...inflation hawks keep the interest rates high to try to cool the crazy inflation in the housing market we've seen over the last 5 years or so.




Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19821 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:08 am to
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This should be no surprise considering mortgage rates are still sky high.

Yeah. There's no way I'd give up my 3% mortgage and buy something new at 6%. I'll stay where I am.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
40386 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 10:11 am to
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Sorry but everyone does not have $700k+ for a 3,100 sq ft house.


More people would if they quit drinking craft beer and taking trips to Disney
Posted by Longhorn Actual
Member since Dec 2023
3200 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:23 pm to
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In the same week I saw rates drop and then mortgage rates jumped.


The relationship between the two is a spurious correlation. They both relate to with the same other things, but not directly to each other. They can move in opposite directions.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24226 posts
Posted on 12/3/24 at 12:31 pm to
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While Paul loves to eat extra large sacks of dicks, he is correct in his assessment and if you think inventory is not a problem then I think we’ve identified the actual clown.


I'm just ignorant here I guess, but if home sales are at the lowest level since 1995 how is inventory the problem? Homes are dropping in price and selling for less on average around me than last year. How many Americans are living on the street because there are not enough homes?

Everyone wants to live in a bigger house, we had artificially low interest rates for many years. I don't quite understand how inventory can still possibly be low with most other metrics pointing the opposite direction.
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