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re: U.S Home Sales on track for worst year since 1995

Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:10 pm to
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
16273 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:10 pm to
Yeah, he is, probably with two cousins and his own family. Take a look at how many cars are parked in the drive ways and in front of houses in built to rent neighborhoods.
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
10338 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:13 pm to
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Not once the deportations start.


For the sake of my monthly payment…

Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
29744 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:14 pm to
People won't start buying homes again until they feel secure about their future and right now most people are not feeling secure about the future.
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
131656 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:18 pm to
Houses are definitely staying on market longer

But Ive also noticed realtors are refusing to significantly lower prices

A 400k house that will sit for 3 months then realtor lowers it by 10k like that makes much of a difference

A decent house in a decent desirable neighborhood in LA shouldnt cost more than 200/sq ft and they are still thinking they can get 220-230 like its 2021
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 1:19 pm
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
20011 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:19 pm to
Because the housing industry is pricing houses to the point that most of the regular folks in this country can not afford the buy a house anymore. They have priced people out of the market all together.

Having drywall and lumber being primarily imported from other countries definitely does not help either
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
2411 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 2:56 pm to
Plenty of decent houses. There’s a deficit of decent neighborhoods.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
59358 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:14 pm to
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This is my fear. Obviously spending cuts are needed but Trump may have to slow walk it to avoid a gigantic recession.


I've been saying for over a year that a recession is inevitable and it's because of the insane deficit spending during COVID combined with the supply chain shutdowns.

The excessive spending (PPP, stimmy checks, rent forbearance, etc) combined with fewer goods and services caused inflation so hot and workers to sit on the sidelines (sucking the government tits) that businesses had to ramp up pay increases to get/keep workers. That caused businesses to have to increase prices, further exacerbating inflation.

During all of this, consumers began offsetting the extra costs onto the backs of their credit cards (many of them simply not willing to sacrifice their lifestyles, see cruise ship bookings or Disney World ticket sales, etc). The US consumer is now at a record high amount of debt (something like $17-$18T) with a lot of it on credit cards running 20+% interest. And they're still doing it. This means an increasing amount of household incomes are going just to service consumer debt (ie: not paying it down... just like the federal government).

Eventually that has to come to an end whether that's the consumers cutting back on spending because they are being cut off on credit, they file bankruptcy, etc. We're currently seeing businesses scaling back on positions, so that's going to have a snowballing effect as it hits those consumers living on credit cards. As more consumers scale back, the economy slows.

GDP growth for at least the last year has been largely to wholly dependent on consumer debt creation. When the consumer debt bubble pops, GDP will take a pounding. This has been inevitable, regardless of who won in November.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
19630 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:21 pm to
Bottom line is there's too many people in the U.S. More people = less housing supply. Less supply = outrageous prices.

The average home price will be a million plus in just a few years. Only the top 1% of earners will be able to afford a house. Everyone else will be in the projects.

And it's only going to get worse the more immigrants we accept (even legal ones).
Posted by Sterling Archer
Member since Aug 2012
8389 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:26 pm to
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Not once the deportations start.



What percentage of homes do you think are built by illegal immigrants? I'm 1000% in favor of fixing the shite Biden caused with their immigration policies. But you're kidding yourself if you think that getting rid of a large population of the construction workforce is going to bring down home prices.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477466 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:27 pm to
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But Ive also noticed realtors are refusing to significantly lower prices

A 400k house that will sit for 3 months then realtor lowers it by 10k like that makes much of a difference


They've started trying to make all the discounts off market so the MLS isn't affected. They won't lower the price $25k but they'll give you all sorts of incentives to equal $25k if you buy at MLS listing.

They know once the MLS adjusts to the market realities it's going to snowball and shite will get real.

ETA: it also maintains their commission
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 4:17 pm
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
20206 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:30 pm to
Next year is going to be very bad.

We cant keep the pace the prior regime allowed, and we will have to suffer in order to try to right the ship.

I know everyone hates hearing this, but we HAVE to suffer in order to get this right. There is no way around it this time. Individuals have entirely too much debt and I have a feeling next year the dominos will start falling.

In the same week I saw rates drop and then mortgage rates jumped.

Protect your nuts guys.
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 3:31 pm
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
20206 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:03 pm to
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But Ive also noticed realtors are refusing to significantly lower prices


Of course not.

Everyone is in debt lol. The realtor is in debt the person selling is probably in debt so they need every penny from the sales.

Its not a good recipe.

Not to mention if you are just buying the median house at $300K you better be bringing a serious downpayment or you are about to have a $2,500+ house note at the current rates.

This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 4:05 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39888 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:12 pm to
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This should be no surprise considering mortgage rates are still sky high.
You mean perfectly in line with historical levels (if not lower)?
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39888 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:13 pm to
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10yr is being kept high
High?
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
39888 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:17 pm to
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Next year is going to be very bad.

We cant keep the pace the prior regime allowed, and we will have to suffer in order to try to right the ship.

I know everyone hates hearing this, but we HAVE to suffer in order to get this right. There is no way around it this time. Individuals have entirely too much debt and I have a feeling next year the dominos will start falling.

In the same week I saw rates drop and then mortgage rates jumped.
There is a pretty major shortage of American housing.
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
20206 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:21 pm to
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There is a pretty major shortage of American housing.


Theres also a shortage in people being able to afford the houses available which is why they are not moving.

Having a shortage of housing and having a shortage of housing that people can afford are two different things.
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 4:23 pm
Posted by JackDempsey
Lake Charles
Member since May 2023
868 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:24 pm to
Back in 82 or 83 I bought my first house at 12%. People that think 7% is high would have a stroke if it was 12%. Glad those days are gone at least
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
20206 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:26 pm to
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Back in 82 or 83 I bought my first house at 12%. People that think 7% is high would have a stroke if it was 12%. Glad those days are gone at least


Thats the type of interest rate that make people responsible.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
40386 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:26 pm to
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But Ive also noticed realtors are refusing to significantly lower prices


A lot of that is on the sellers because they have to afford to move somewhere

Posted by 756
Member since Sep 2004
15919 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:28 pm to
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Mortgage rates haven’t been dropping even with the Fed cutting rates because the 10-year Treasury yield has been unusually stubborn.

correct

Trumps Tariff has nothing to do with it

The U.S. Treasury Department issues treasury notes, or debt obligations with a maturity date of two, three, five, seven or 10 years. The rates for these treasury notes are fixed at auction and investors receive interest over time..

A rising yield means investors expect stronger economic growth and/or higher inflation which prompts them to demand higher returns.

They are trying to have their cake and eat it too
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