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re: US Army open to considering removal of Confederate leaders' names from bases
Posted on 6/8/20 at 8:32 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
Posted on 6/8/20 at 8:32 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
Will they bulldoze battlefields next?
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Posted on 6/8/20 at 8:36 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
Local new just reported UA will remove all alumni plaques that fought for the confederacy as well.
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Posted on 6/8/20 at 8:37 pm to Cocotheape
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This post was edited on 6/14/20 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 6/8/20 at 8:40 pm to SCLibertarian
quote:Very different situations. The South was part of the union and threw a shite fit when they couldn't keep people enslaved
The South was conquered militarily by the North. What other Americans can say that? Hawaiians and Native Americans? All 3 of these groups, still today, have large segments that lionize their pre-conquered cultures.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 8:40 pm to Ricardo
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In fact, it's so difficult we choose to outsource our slaves to other countries.
How else would the woke anti-statue brigade be able to show up to the protests in their newest retro outfit that cost some kid in Cambodia a few lashes because he wasn't fast enough on the line?
Posted on 6/8/20 at 8:43 pm to dawgfan24348
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Very different situations.
In your opinion. The South was an independent country with its own government for 4 years. And even before 1861, the notion of America as the unified, centralized state it is today was completely foreign. From about 1820 onward, there were two very distinct regions in a country where the bulk of authority came from the states. The closest comparison today would be Belgium.
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 6/8/20 at 8:44 pm to heatom2
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Just did a little research and looks like my great great great grandfather and uncle may have fought. Its interesting from a historical standpoint, but it doesn't make me want to honor them. I don't hate them for it either.
I'm glad you discovered that It might be rewarding to learn more or contemplate their lives.
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They were simple country folk, but the government of the CSA were traitors, no doubt about it. And they betrayed their country for reprehensible reasons
Remember before the CSA was formed, each state made a decision to secede. That required a vote by the legislature of the state of Louisiana. For most loyalty was much stronger to their states than to the United States.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 8:50 pm to OleWar
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I'm glad you discovered that It might be rewarding to learn more or contemplate their lives
Yeah, still not going to fly the battle flag.
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Remember before the CSA was formed, each state made a decision to secede. That required a vote by the legislature of the state of Louisiana. For most loyalty was much stronger to their states than to the United States.
Those are some rose colored glasses you have there.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 8:52 pm to LegendInMyMind
What US forts etc are named after confederate hero’s????
Posted on 6/8/20 at 8:54 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
Fort Hood will become Fort Sheila Jackson-Lee
Fort Bragg will become Fort Transgender Bathroom
Fort Stewart will become Fort Stacy Abrams
Fort Bliss will become Fort Beto O'Rourke
Fort Campbell will become Fort Ashley Judd
Fort Rucker will become Fort Doug Jones
Aberdeen Proving Grounds will become Fort Elijah Cummings
and other stupid shite.
Fort Bragg will become Fort Transgender Bathroom
Fort Stewart will become Fort Stacy Abrams
Fort Bliss will become Fort Beto O'Rourke
Fort Campbell will become Fort Ashley Judd
Fort Rucker will become Fort Doug Jones
Aberdeen Proving Grounds will become Fort Elijah Cummings
and other stupid shite.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 8:56 pm to heatom2
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Those are some rose colored glasses you have there.
It is pretty well historically documented as to why men joined the fight, especially poor farmers or newly arrived immigrants, and even free people of color in New Orleans.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 8:57 pm to heatom2
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Those are some rose colored glasses you have there.
I mean...he's not wrong. In 1860, the only interaction the common citizen had with the federal government was whenever they received mail. Most people went their whole life without ever once setting foot outside the county they lived in. And the only time they ever saw the U.S. flag is when they passed by a federal court house or U.S. Army installation. Modern American nationalism was born in 1861 with the outbreak of the Civil War.
This post was edited on 6/8/20 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:01 pm to TutHillTiger
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What US forts etc are named after confederate hero’s????
Braxton Bragg (Fort Bragg)
Robert E. Lee (Fort Lee)
Edmund Rucker (Fort Rucker)
John Brown Gordon (Fort Gordon)
John Bell Hood (Fort Hood)
There may be more
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:02 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
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His family were likely traitors like W.T. Sherman leaving Louisiana to fight against their own families / friends.
Well, Sherman was from Ohio and only ended up in Louisiana briefly after bouncing around in California, St. Louis, and a few other places, so....
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:04 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
quote:so they don't wanna celebrate a loser.
Confederate leaders'
I see no problem with it.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:04 pm to Cocotheape
The South was fighting for political control. They were worried, and correctly, about the efforts of the north to dominate them politically, and economically.
They believed they would lose control over their lives.
They believed they would lose control over their lives.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:05 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Polk
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:07 pm to heatom2
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They were simple country folk, but the government of the CSA were traitors, no doubt about it. And they betrayed their country for reprehensible reasons.
This will sound disrespectful, that’s not my intention.
You are too ill educated to have an opinion. You have no grasp of the era, or what motivated them.
You are completely ignorant.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:09 pm to RollTide1987
I don't think people realize the importance of your post. I live in Conway, SC. In the early to mid 19th century, the federal courthouse was in Florence, which is about 45 miles away, which would have been a 2-day round trip journey back then. Only a handful of people in the entire county where I live would have had any interaction with the federal government. That's why I scoff at the idea of people calling them traitors. 95% of people had zero concept of the United States as a nation at all, much less one worth defending.
Posted on 6/8/20 at 9:10 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Just a postscript.
The names were intended to make the Army more appealing to southerners, and spur recruiting.
The names were intended to make the Army more appealing to southerners, and spur recruiting.
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