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Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42246 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 11:43 am to
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The only way to stabilize energy prices is to drive fuel input costs to zero.


Where do the precious metals required to make solar panels and the generators for windmills come from?

I hat happens when the wind doesn’t blow or it’s cloudy, or if you’re in a latitude that has significantly decreased solar intensity? I mean, I know there aren’t any major urban centers away from the tropics or equator like NYC, Chicago, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Detroit, Seattle, Portland, Minneapolis, or Denver.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 11:45 am to



- Hyman Roth
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42246 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 11:50 am to
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could. Rare earths are not particularly rare, and they are not a limiting factor anyway.


Almost 100% of their production is controlled by China because our epa and state based environmental groups won’t allow for their mining in the US
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
14776 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 12:52 pm to
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“The Adult diapers are back in charge”



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Posted by Wing T
Joint Base Andrews, MD
Member since Aug 2022
594 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 12:53 pm to
All a part of the Plan...
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138890 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 12:56 pm to
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know you hate renewables but they are the only way to bring energy production in-house and control costs.


Hahahahahahahahah

Bro, we're gonna build out own renewables. Now, let's start with some lightweight aluminum....oh shite, wait a second.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298686 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 12:58 pm to
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Where do the precious metals required to make solar panels and the generators for windmills come from?


They're protesting mining too.

Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
35897 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:03 pm to
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Something tells me solar panels and windmills are useless here.



My utility company charges me a $20/m surcharge to support their new solar field. Yes, I pay extra for the honor of using solar power.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77225 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:04 pm to
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My utility company charges me a $20/m surcharge to support their new solar field. Yes, I pay extra for the honor of using solar power.
It is like my old hybrid.

They charged Scruffy more for his registration because it used less gas.

Posted by Dawgwithnoname
NE Louisiana
Member since Dec 2019
4278 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:07 pm to
Look for Uncle Joe to try and nationalize the electric grid in response.
Posted by Steadyhands
Slightly above I-10
Member since May 2016
7155 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:12 pm to
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we would stop exporting natural gas it could help with our energy costs.

Just saying.


If they would stop pushing the bullshite renewables like wind and solar, not to mention giving an unprecedented amount of breaks and incentives for associated companies....and just put in more nuclear facilities, this would not be an issue. This green energy shite and constant spewing of climate change crisis is rapidly fricking this country. I hope the next administration immediately cuts and ceases anything to do with this green energy crap on day one, kind of like how Biden did with oil/gas/etc. Why are there so many uneducated dumbasses buying into this renewables/climate change bullshite, and based on what? "Media constantly saying crap like 98% of all scientists say the world will end if we don't do something now" Where's the actual evidence of anything?
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:15 pm to
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Why are there so many uneducated dumbasses buying into this renewables/climate change bullshite, and based on what? "Media constantly saying crap like 98% of all scientists say the world will end if we don't do something now" Where's the actual evidence of anything?



The left controls 98% of the media, academia, social media, hollywood, music/entertainment. They have a complete stranglehold on information getting to people
Posted by Steadyhands
Slightly above I-10
Member since May 2016
7155 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:43 pm to
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The left controls 98% of the media, academia, social media, hollywood, music/entertainment. They have a complete stranglehold on information getting to people


How is it that 100% of the left are stupid enough to blindy follow though? Are they all missing a critical component of their brain that allows for logic to enter into their thoughts? Rhetorical question.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 1:48 pm to
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Hahahahahahahahah
What's so funny about vertical integration?
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Or, and hear me out, we could start mining our own uranium and building nuclear plants
Fine by me, diversification is great.
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resume mining our own coal and using it as opposed to shipping it to China and start burning it for electricity
Sounds good.
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and start increasing the number of combined cycle nat gas power plants and frack the ever living shut out of the gas fields we have.
Also sounds good.
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You know, use the energy we have in absolute gobsmacking abundance.
No problem with that at all.


But how does any of that help an individual household or business looking to insulate itself from the booms and busts of the market?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 2:30 pm to
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Where do the precious metals required to make solar panels and the generators for windmills come from?
They could come from here if we want them to.
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I hat happens when the wind doesn’t blow or it’s cloudy
Many energy storage solutions exist, and they are always improving and more are being explored. Why do people always pretend that batteries don't exist?
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or if you’re in a latitude that has significantly decreased solar intensity?
Then you probably shouldn't go hard on solar. I don't know why this is even a question.
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I mean, I know there aren’t any major urban centers away from the tropics or equator like NYC, Chicago, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Detroit, Seattle, Portland, Minneapolis, or Denver.
Now we're pretending that the sun doesn't shine on the majority of the country? These conversations are always so fun.

Plenty of installed solar in all the places listed.



I don't know why you folks get so mad about this stuff. If a business can't survive the volatility of the markets in its supply chain, maybe it's time to consider vertical integration.
Posted by Koach K
Member since Nov 2016
4818 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 3:12 pm to
Off-grid is another term for going backwards.
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 8/11/22 at 3:34 pm to
You obviously don’t have any real world experience with solar panels. Under optimal conditions, I’m lucky to get 30-40% usage from my panels.
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