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re: Update: MJ Allegedly found w/ Dallas PwC Associate killed by DPD officer
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:11 pm to jbgleason
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:11 pm to jbgleason
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Wait. Everyone said her blood wasn't drawn and that the other police were going to cover this up.
That's why a very vague press release got 11 pages of OT arguing. The anti-police group couldn't wait to come in and launch their accusations of them vs us
12 pages now
This post was edited on 9/7/18 at 2:12 pm
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Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:14 pm to slackster
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When civilians don't receive that same treatment and the officer was acting as a civilian - yes, unequivocally.
Civilians don't receive the same treatment for a very simple reason (of course we're talking about ideally here in the real world we all know that some cops do look the other way when cops commit crimes it happens)
Here's the legit reason why the situation is approached as an officer involved shooting whether the officer is on duty or not.
Because police have an affirmative duty to stop and or prevent a felony whether on duty or not. 24/7 days a week, an officer can actually go to jail for failing to do so. It's call misprision of a felony.
So in this situation , yes the first information put out is "officer involved shooting" and yes the investigators are going to show up assuming that the officer was acting within his or her official capacity (rememeber whether the officer was on or off duty is irrelevant)
For example, imagine that instead of entering the wrong apartment what had happened was the officer came home and heard a woman being beat half to death behind the door of the apartment below hers and so she broke in and shot the guy. That's an entirely different situation than what happened here as far as did the officer have a right to be in that apartment. She absolutely had not only a right to enter that apartment, she had a responsibility to do so. Whereas no civilian has that responsibility. So yes, with an officer the investigators defer and assume the officer was acting as an officer , whereas with a civilian, that isn't a consideration, obviously.
Anything more than that is a different matter entirely though and reaches into the realm of police covering for other police. This officer isn't receiving anything more than the standard procedure. She no doubt had to surrender her gun and badge on scene, nd was interviewed until a decision was made to charge her, that's the system working as designed.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:15 pm to slackster
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Why the hell would they handle it as an officer-involved shooting in the first place? That is the exact preferential treatment we were discussing
Was she still in uniform? Did she use her service weapon? Did she believe at the time she was acting under the color of law? Did she portray the events this way in the beginning causing the investigation to start that way, and later investigators determined it wasn't and changed up the investigation protocol?
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:16 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
Anybody know what this broad looks like yet? Need pics before I can cast judgement.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:16 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
Plus lnchbx. ;)
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:17 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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Was she still in uniform? Did she use her service weapon? Did she believe at the time she was acting under the color of law? Did she portray the events this way in the beginning causing the investigation to start that way, and later investigators determined it wasn't and changed up the investigation protocol?
She entered the wrong apartment after it was abundantly clear it was the wrong apartment since her key didn’t work. No need to lick your fellow officer’s boots.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:17 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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Was she still in uniform? Did she use her service weapon? Did she believe at the time she was acting under the color of law? Did she portray the events this way in the beginning causing the investigation to start that way, and later investigators determined it wasn't and changed up the investigation protocol?
See my post above
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:19 pm to slackster
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For the umpteenth time, a regular civilian would have been arrested with probable cause at the scene. Plain and simple.
No. Detained... yes, but not arrested.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:19 pm to TH03
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She entered the wrong apartment after it was abundantly clear it was the wrong apartment since her key didn’t work. No need to lick your fellow officer’s boots.
Do you think the investigators knew that upon arriving on scene? ALL officer involved shootings are treated as such until it's determined that the shooting had nothing to do with the officer's duty.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:20 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
You made some good points and it's good to have this perspective on it.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:21 pm to TH03
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No need to lick your fellow officer’s boots.
This is such a dumb arse claim. I don't give a frick about this bitch. If she was that fricked up, stupid, or whatever then let her fry. Im just being objective and pointing out that when an investigation is done, its important to handle it the right way. Even if you may be criticized by the uninformed, public
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:23 pm to Tyga Woods
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broad
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Need pics
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Tyga Woods
Checks out.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:25 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:And yet you feel confident in saying something is "obviously false" without all of that information?
Unlike you, I'm not going to pretend to have all the information.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:26 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Because police have an affirmative duty to stop and or prevent a felony whether on duty or not. 24/7 days a week, an officer can actually go to jail for failing to do so. It's call misprision of a felony.
Col., you should read up on Warren v. D.C.
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Appellants Carolyn Warren, Miriam Douglas, and Joan Taliaferro in No. 79-6, and appellant Wilfred Nichol in No. 79-394 sued the District of Columbia and individual members of the Metropolitan Police Department for negligent failure to provide adequate police services. The respective trial judges held that the police were under no specific legal duty to provide protection to the individual appellants and dismissed the complaints for failure to state a claim upon which relief could be granted. Super. Ct.Civ.R. 12(b)(6). However, in a split decision a three-judge division of this court determined that appellants Warren, Taliaferro and Nichol were owed a special duty of care by the police department and reversed the trial court rulings. The division unanimously concluded that appellant Douglas failed to fit within the class of persons to whom a special duty was owed, and affirmed the lower court's dismissal of her complaint. The court en banc, on petitions for rehearing, vacated the panel's decision. After rearguments, notwithstanding our sympathy for appellants who were the tragic victims of despicable criminal acts, we affirm the judgments of dismissal.
Warren v. D.C.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:26 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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You made some good points and it's good to have this perspective on it.
Just trying to point out some facts. Fact, yes officer involved shootings are handled differently than regular citizen shootings. THere's an obvious reason for that, and only a fool would deny this. Likewise, yes there are police who cover for other police. But that is exceedingly rare. Very few police are going to get involved with covering for a murderer.
AND there is of course the simple fact that large police departments have police who specialize in investigating other police, and they are called in and use THEIR procedures regardless of whether the incident was job related or not.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:26 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:In actual similar situations where the non-cop went into someone else's home and shot them(or something similar)?
But non-cops get the same treatment
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:28 pm to shel311
Great. Another 12 pages, at least.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:30 pm to shel311
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In actual similar situations where the non-cop went into someone else's home and shot them(or something similar)?
To reiterate, making an on site arrest would be the more unusual event. We like to make sure of our facts before taking the official step of making an arrest. For various reasons.
Now, if you have a suspect who is a flight risk or what have you, sure you make an arrest for SOMETHING to get them off the street immediately, but you don't want to arrest until you're absolutely sure you can make a case in most situations.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:31 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
I’m talking about his spin about her thinking she’s acting under the color of the law.
You gotta be some kind of retarded to think you’re in the right apartment when your key doesn’t work.
You gotta be some kind of retarded to think you’re in the right apartment when your key doesn’t work.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:32 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
Might have been answered in the previous 12 pages, but how did she have enough time to enter the apt, argue with this guy, pull a gun, and shoot, without realizing she was in the wrong apartment? Do they have the same taste in decor?
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