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Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:33 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Fact, yes officer involved shootings are handled differently than regular citizen shootings. THere's an obvious reason for that, and only a fool would deny this.
Except the Supreme Court also said this...
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The duty to provide public services is owed to the public at large, and, absent a special relationship between the police and an individual, no specific legal duty exists. Holding that no special relationship existed between the police and appellants in No. 79-6, Judge Hannon concluded that no specific legal duty existed. We hold that Judge Hannon was correct and adopt the relevant portions of his opinion.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:33 pm to shel311
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And yet you feel confident in saying something is "obviously false" without all of that information?
Yes, because civilians get "preferential treatment" too as I showed with my example that took zero time to come up with. Try to follow a conversation before you just jump in to make a semantics argument.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:34 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
FWIW. If the usual suspects here can get away from arguing about “preferential treatment”, I may have a little more insight. Third hand from someone in Dallas:
Officer gets off duty after long shift (15 hours on duty) and gets off elevator on wrong floor (something I did last week at a hotel). She goes to “her” apartment and tries to open door with key (actually wrong floor and not her place). Door won’t open and she is jiggling with the lock when the apartment owner comes to door and opens it part way. She sees him in “her” apartment and is startled (I can see that) and tries to force door open to confront him. He fights back to keep door closed, her gun gets drawn and fired during this time.
Officer gets off duty after long shift (15 hours on duty) and gets off elevator on wrong floor (something I did last week at a hotel). She goes to “her” apartment and tries to open door with key (actually wrong floor and not her place). Door won’t open and she is jiggling with the lock when the apartment owner comes to door and opens it part way. She sees him in “her” apartment and is startled (I can see that) and tries to force door open to confront him. He fights back to keep door closed, her gun gets drawn and fired during this time.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:34 pm to Mr. Hangover
Better yet, her key was found in the door and he opened the door because she was banging on it.
The lady is either retarded as hell or lying.
The lady is either retarded as hell or lying.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:34 pm to NYNolaguy1
I know a guy that worked with the victim. Sad story.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:36 pm to TH03
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I’m talking about his spin about her thinking she’s acting under the color of the law.
You gotta be some kind of retarded to think you’re in the right apartment when your key doesn’t work.
Of course, but the investigators aren't going to assume she was in the wrong apartment going into the investigation. They are going to assume she was acting under the authority of law, which as I explained , she would have had a duty to enter that apartment under some circumstances. THe officer IS given the benefit of that doubt. And that's is right and proper.
It look less than a full day for the facts to work themselves out and a decision to arrest to be made. That's fricking fast man. You're being delusional if the only outcome you would support here is "arrest the bitch on site" that's RARELY done in situations like this, now if the woman had got in a gun fight with responding officers or something, well that changes the dynamics completely, but my sense is this woman quickly realized she fricked up and was cooperating with police. It just took some time to work things out.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:38 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:41 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Except the Supreme Court also said this...
That ruling doesn't apply to a case where a felony is being committed.
And outside of the actual law, most police departments have stipulations that any officer who doesn't actively work to prevent a felony that they suspect is in progress will be terminated whether on duty or off.
My God , reading this thread you would think this woman hunted this guy down and killed him on video and no arrest was made
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:41 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Why wouldn't the investigators assume she was in the wrong apartment? She called it in and told them she went to the wrong apartment.
This post was edited on 9/7/18 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:41 pm to jbgleason
Sounds like a shitty situation. She should have backed off and called for help.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:42 pm to jbgleason
If that is true then she needs to be behind bars for a while. What an idiot.
Why would she not just let him close the door and her call for backup?
Why would she not just let him close the door and her call for backup?
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:42 pm to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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she would have had a duty to enter that apartment under some circumstances
See, this is more spin. She didn’t. We don’t need the hypothetical situations where she was some protector of the innocents.
She tried to go into the wrong apartment and killed the innocent tenant.
I’m not arguing the preferential treatment. The Joe McKnight case comes to mind. That guy wasn’t arrested and booked until a few days later IIRC. It’s not uncommon for that to happen when you don’t have many facts.
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but my sense is this woman quickly realized she fricked up
She didn’t leave her squad car unlocked, she killed an innocent man because of her idiocy.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:42 pm to jbgleason
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Officer gets off duty after long shift (15 hours on duty) and gets off elevator on wrong floor (something I did last week at a hotel). She goes to “her” apartment and tries to open door with key (actually wrong floor and not her place). Door won’t open and she is jiggling with the lock when the apartment owner comes to door and opens it part way. She sees him in “her” apartment and is startled (I can see that) and tries to force door open to confront him. He fights back to keep door closed, her gun gets drawn and fired during this time.
Doesn't matter one bit.
She murdered a person with his whole life in front of him for simply being in his apartment. If almost anyone else does that they are looking at 2nd Degree Murder.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:44 pm to jbgleason
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Officer gets off duty after long shift (15 hours on duty) and gets off elevator on wrong floor (something I did last week at a hotel). She goes to “her” apartment and tries to open door with key (actually wrong floor and not her place). Door won’t open and she is jiggling with the lock when the apartment owner comes to door and opens it part way. She sees him in “her” apartment and is startled (I can see that) and tries to force door open to confront him. He fights back to keep door closed, her gun gets drawn and fired during this time.
I dunno about her place, but mine has this thing called a unit number right by the door. And getting off at the wrong floor of a hotel where you stay a few days is different than your home.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:44 pm to whodidthat
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Doesn't matter one bit.
She murdered a person with his whole life in front of him for simply being in his apartment. If almost anyone else does that they are looking at 2nd Degree Murder.
I'm not so sure murder means what you think it does, especially since Texas doesn't have 2nd degree murder..
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:45 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:If you don't know all the facts of this case, how can you possibly "obviously" know whether she got preferrential treatment or not?
Yes, because civilians get "preferential treatment" too as I showed with my example that took zero time to come up with. Try to follow a conversation before you just jump in to make a semantics argument.
What happened to Gasser or anyone else is entirely irrelevant to 100% know whether she got preferential treatment, quite obviously.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:45 pm to TH03
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I dunno about her place, but mine has this thing called a unit number right by the door. And getting off at the wrong floor of a hotel where you stay a few days is different than your home.
And I'm sure you look at your unit number carefully every time you walk in. Your brain is never on cruise control.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:46 pm to shel311
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f you don't know all the facts of this case, how can you possibly "obviously" know whether she got preferrential treatment or not?
That's not the point. Again, try reading before starting another argument.
Posted on 9/7/18 at 2:48 pm to TH03
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See, this is more spin. She didn’t. We don’t need the hypothetical situations where she was some protector of the innocents.
Spin? HOw fricking stupid are you man? For real? I'm not spinning shite here, I'm explaining why an investigation opens up assuming the officer is innocent and less than a fricking day later charged her with manslaughter, you're just an ignorant frick who wants police officers assumed guilty and arrested on the spot until proven innocent.
Stupid motherfricker. A person tries to have a rationale discussion with you, but you're too stupid to grasp nuance.
Obviously this woman made a mistake that cost a man his life and she deserved to be arrested and jailed for it, she was and she will be. The system took less than a day to get it right and you're still in here bitching, ignorant frick.
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