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re: Update: Judge rules there's probable cause to charge officers for12 yr old death
Posted on 6/9/15 at 4:20 pm to Mr. Wayne
Posted on 6/9/15 at 4:20 pm to Mr. Wayne
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Do you think the cop would just let them draw it and fire at them before reacting? And black guys can do it too if they aren't in the habit of brandishing it in threatening ways
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 4:23 pm to RB10
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I'm no defender of cops, but what do you expect them to do? Calmly walk up to a suspect that has been identified as armed with a handgun by citizens and ask them if they can examine it to see if it says "airsoft" in 2MM tall letters on the side?
Seriously?
The cops put themselves in a situation which the perceived to be life/death by literally coming in guns a blazing in a public area. You think if they had called out to him from a distance things would have gone the same?
Posted on 6/9/15 at 4:43 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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shot for having toy guns.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the kid remove/paint over the bright orange markers that indicated it was a toy?
Posted on 6/9/15 at 4:54 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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I would think the second amendment says so.
Yes. Pointing a gun at people for no reason is perfectly legal and acceptable behavior.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 5:11 pm to Slinky
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The investigation into Tamir’s shooting was handed to the county prosecutor last week
Assume that these people are right and murder charges are justified. It's possible they just let the guys off bc defendants could request speedy trial and there may not be enough time to build the case before trial.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 5:14 pm to philabuck
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Yes. Pointing a gun at people for no reason is perfectly legal and acceptable behavior.
You deliberately make it sound like he was an adult pointing an actual firearm at people. He was a 12 year old pointing a toy gun at people. That's a completely different standard of 'acceptable.' Many 12 year olds do that. My neighbors growing up ran around the street shooting each other with pellet guns. I guess they should have been killed.
This post was edited on 6/9/15 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 6/9/15 at 5:20 pm to REG861
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He was a 12 year old pointing a toy gun at people. That's a completely different standard of 'acceptable.' Many 12 year olds do that.
This is the most asinine argument ever. He was a 5'7", 200 lb male with a black pistol that had no semblance of a "toy". The only thing that made it look like a "toy" had been removed, which was the orange tip. Are the police supposed to be psychic that it's a fricking toy?
Could the police here have used better tactics? Yes. But let's not paint a picture that this tiny little child was running around with a plastic water pistol and got mowed down by police gunfire.
ETA: And let's not forget witnesses have stated he was pointing it at people, not just walking around with it.
This post was edited on 6/9/15 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 6/9/15 at 5:22 pm to GaryMyMan
I'm not angry at the cop. I'm pissed at the 911 dispatcher who basically ignored the people who said the gun might be fake.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 5:24 pm to toosleaux
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He was a 12 year old pointing a toy gun at people. That's a completely different standard of 'acceptable.' Many 12 year olds do that.
This is the most asinine argument ever. He was a 5'7", 200 lb male with a black pistol that had no semblance of a "toy". The only thing that made it look like a "toy" had been removed, which was the orange tip. Are the police supposed to be psychic that it's a fricking toy?
We are talking specifically about Rice's conduct from Rice's perspective, not the cop's reaction. So because he is taller and heavier than the average 12 year old he has a different maturity level too? Talk about asinine. Only small 12 year olds are allowed to act like 12 year olds? Bigger 12 year olds have higher maturity levels now? No matter how you want to spin it, he was still 12, not a mature adult who decided it would be a good idea to run around with a handgun.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 5:26 pm to REG861
You said:
That has nothing to do with Rice's view. That is your view and your opinion.
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He was a 12 year old pointing a toy gun at people.
That has nothing to do with Rice's view. That is your view and your opinion.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 5:30 pm to toosleaux
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He was a 12 year old pointing a toy gun at people.
That has nothing to do with Rice's view. That is your view and your opinion.
That's not an opinion, that's a fact, unless you're trying to argue that he was not 12. I don't see your point. I was rebutting the sarcastic statement that pointing a gun at people was 'legal and acceptable' by saying that a 12 year old and adult should be judged differently by their conduct. A 12 year old doesn't perceive consequences the same as a 45 year old does. Holding them to the same standard of 'acceptable' is ridiculous.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 5:38 pm to REG861
I think the point is that simply looking at the kid for a brief moment during a high stress situation, his size would not lead one to assume he was a 12 year old boy. Doesn't justify the actions taken, just helping to clarify what I think is being implied there.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 6:58 pm to REG861
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REG861
You lose any and all ability to claim it was a toy when the kid had removed the only marks that identified the gun as a toy.
I can get a piece of wood and PVC pipe and paint it black and point it at people and I'm willing to bet somebody calls the cops for me having a gun and pointing it at people. If the cops show up and I point it at them will there be an uproar because I just had a piece of piping and wood painted black? No.
Referring to it as a "toy" leads people to believe that the gun was painted hot orange or green and the cops decided to shoot the kid anyway.
Heres a toy, which is already hard to differentiate from a real gun with just that small orange tip, but imagine if the tip was gone. I had a similar pop gun when I was a kid and you know what? My parents told me to stay my arse in the yard with it because it looked too real.
Could the cops have approached it differently? Yes, most definitely, and it could have also been handled differently from the dispatcher. However, as others have stated, lets stop acting like he was prancing around with a brightly colored water pistol and gunned down.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 7:03 pm to brass2mouth
Well I can't say that he was carrying around a Glock can I? Cause that wouldn't be accurate either. Wasn't it an airsoft gun? I agree toy can be used misleadingly and you have a fair point. What about 'airsoft gun' or 'pellet gun' that had orange cap removed, for honesty's sake?
This post was edited on 6/9/15 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 6/9/15 at 7:36 pm to ManBearTiger
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Seriously?
The cops put themselves in a situation which the perceived to be life/death by literally coming in guns a blazing in a public area. You think if they had called out to him from a distance things would have gone the same?
Yes I'm serious. The cops were told that a suspect was in the neighborhood and was armed. Again, what should they do when said person pulls what appears to be a firearm? Wait to see if it's a real gun or not?
Some of you people really need a dose of reality.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 7:42 pm to RB10
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Seriously?
The cops put themselves in a situation which the perceived to be life/death by literally coming in guns a blazing in a public area. You think if they had called out to him from a distance things would have gone the same?
Yes I'm serious. The cops were told that a suspect was in the neighborhood and was armed. Again, what should they do when said person pulls what appears to be a firearm? Wait to see if it's a real gun or not?
Everything you said goes against standard police procedure and tactics. Police are taught, when facing a possible armed suspect, to "take cover at a safe distance and create a barrier between themselves and the other person....Next officers should draw their weapons and command the suspect to drop their gun and get down on the ground."
Literally none of which was followed by the two dumbasses in the cop car here. In fact, they did the exact opposite.
In other words, your 'reality' is full of shite and based on zero knowledge of police protocol.
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This post was edited on 6/9/15 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 6/9/15 at 7:46 pm to REG861
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In other words, your 'reality' is full of shite and based on zero knowledge of police protocol.
Did I say one word about police protocol? Have I once said I thought they handled the situation correctly? No, I didn't.
I'm referring to you idiots who seem to believe that the cops should have somehow known the boy was 12 and had a toy despite never being given such information.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 9:28 pm to RB10
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Yes I'm serious. The cops were told that a suspect was in the neighborhood and was armed. Again, what should they do when said person pulls what appears to be a firearm? Wait to see if it's a real gun or not?
Some of you people really need a dose of reality.
You're the one who needs a dose of reality you delusional frick
Posted on 6/9/15 at 9:36 pm to RB10
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The cops were told that a suspect was in the neighborhood and was armed. Again, what should they do when said person pulls what appears to be a firearm? Wait to see if it's a real gun or not?
kids walk around this area all the time with pellet rifles, 22 cal rifles, etc, etc, etc. If a cop rolled up on them and killed them, that cop would be in some deep shyt here.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 9:39 pm to RB10
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I'm referring to you idiots who seem to believe that the cops should have somehow known the boy was 12 and had a toy despite never being given such information.
That's exactly why he should have followed procedure and kept a save distance to carefully assess the situation, rather than putting himself and his partner in potential immediate danger.
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