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re: Update: Judge rules there's probable cause to charge officers for12 yr old death
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:15 pm to GRTiger
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:15 pm to GRTiger
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And also said they weren't sure. It's not the caller's job to make that call. It's the cops'. Still not seeing the connection with linking this to a story where people lie to the cops. They gave them as much info as possible. It's exactly what they should have done.
I'm not alleging that the Cleveland caller lied to the cops (clearly it's possible, though, as I think it's unlikely that he was just pointing it at everyone.) I'm saying the overall police system is busted - and that includes the way 911 is handled in some jurisdictions.
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:19 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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I think this the only people who should be counted. What crime did this 12 year old commit? Because blacks no matter what the circumstance are viewed as the problem they will continue to be murdered while unarmed. Police have a preconceived notion that every black person is a threat to their safety. The same white kid playing with a toy gun would have totally been treated differently. White kid is just playing cops and robbers or some shite. Black kid is a thug with a gun.
This may be true. However, I'm only aware of one case so far, out of the sizable number of alleged cases, where a murder likely did occur of an unarmed black man by the police (recently, at least). That was the Charleston shooting, obviously.
Also, while I won't say there isn't a different perception that increases risks to black kids, the greatest threat to unarmed black men are armed black men. Moreover, white people are more likely to be victimized by armed black men than vice versa.
This isn't intended to negate the particular concern of the state acting recklessly (in some cases) towards black men. But I see this mantra all the time now that the murder of black men by cops or white people is some epidemic, which is incredibly disingenuous considering cops and white people are likely the more common victims.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:28 pm to Pettifogger
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Moreover, white people are more likely to be victimized by armed black men than vice versa.
That is also not true,
Facts
So it is safe to say the true threat to the white man is the white man.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:34 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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That is also not true,
Facts
So it is safe to say the true threat to the white man is the white man.
What?
The facts are quite clear that black on white violent crime exceeds white on black crime. Meaning white people are more likely to be victims of black people than vice versa. I may have worded it sloppily originally, but that's what I was referring to.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:38 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Kids wave toy guns around all the time. But in fact, the gun was not waved in the presence of the cops. Get your facts straight before slobbing all over the cops.
Look, I call things the way I see it. It was enough of a concern for someone to report it, the cops arrive and he reaches for his waist. This is cause for a reaction.
As for slobbering all over the cops, I evaluate it on a case by case basis instead of defending every idiot out there.
The only that should be prosecuted is the South Carolina cop.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:41 pm to Pettifogger
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What?
The facts are quite clear that black on white violent crime exceeds white on black crime. Meaning white people are more likely to be victims of black people than vice versa. I may have worded it sloppily originally, but that's what I was referring to.
Not according to the FBI
Race of the victim
White
Total victims= 3005
Race of the offender
White = 2509
Black = 409
I don't know how to explain this any clearer
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This post was edited on 6/9/15 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:41 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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What crime did this 12 year old commit?
Is it legal to approach people in a park pretending to carry a real gun?
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Because blacks no matter what the circumstance are viewed as the problem they will continue to be murdered while unarmed
Here we go
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Police have a preconceived notion that every black person is a threat to their safety. The same white kid playing with a toy gun would have totally been treated differently.
Did this situation happen with a white 12 year old? I got a gun drawn on me while getting out of my friends truck after he was stopped for speeding. Hands up, back in the car, and home for dinner.
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Black kid is a thug with a gun.
Black kid was a perceived perp that was reported to be carrying a weapon. Cop was a bad cop and freaked out thinking that he was drawing his weapon while being driven up on the perp. Kid was likely reaching into his pants to show the cops it was a fake gun. Accident start to gun shot. Not administering first aid is something I think the cops deserve to be held accountable.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:43 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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Not according to the FBI
Race of the victim
White
Total victims= 3005
Race of the offender
White = 2509
Black = 409
I don't know how to explain this any clearer
You aren't applying what he is saying to the chart you are referencing...
Black on White murder- 409
White on Black murder- 189
Edit- Obviously the real issue is same race murder, but that doesn't make for good headlines apparently
This post was edited on 6/9/15 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:48 pm to Mr. Wayne
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Is it legal to approach people in a park pretending to carry a real gun?
I would think the second amendment says so.
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Here we go
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Did this situation happen with a white 12 year old? I got a gun drawn on me while getting out of my friends truck after he was stopped for speeding. Hands up, back in the car, and home for dinner.
Congrats on not being a statistic.
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Black kid was a perceived perp that was reported to be carrying a weapon. Cop was a bad cop and freaked out thinking that he was drawing his weapon while being driven up on the perp. Kid was likely reaching into his pants to show the cops it was a fake gun. Accident start to gun shot. Not administering first aid is something I think the cops deserve to be held accountable.
How is it that these white second amendment extremist can walk public streets and into airports with with aks and walk away without being shot or drawn upon? Its all about the perception of black males being a threat and if you are believed to have a gun you just assume to make your peace with you maker.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:48 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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I don't know how to explain this any clearer
Jesus dude, he's saying there are more black on white crimes than white on black, not more black on white than white on white.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:49 pm to Sisyphus
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You aren't applying what he is saying to the chart you are referencing...
Black on White murder- 409
White on Black murder- 189
Edit- Obviously the real issue is same race murder, but that doesn't make for good headlines apparently
Correct. Also, these are merely homicides. Statistics for rape and other violent offenses result in the same conclusions.
As for same race murder, it's more prevalent on both sides, clearly. My point is that the relatively recent proclamation that black people should be afraid of cops and white people (made by people like Coates and Capehart and other popular black writers) is hard to take seriously when the reverse (the threat of black on white violence) is shrugged off.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:49 pm to Sisyphus
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You aren't applying what he is saying to the chart you are referencing...
Black on White murder- 409
White on Black murder- 189
Edit- Obviously the real issue is same race murder, but that doesn't make for good headlines apparently
Ok I got my bad I didn't catch what he was saying.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:50 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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Its all about the perception of black males
Tell the majority of them to stop acting like dumbass thugs and get a job and better themselves.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:53 pm to Pettifogger
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Correct. Also, these are merely homicides. Statistics for rape and other violent offenses result in the same conclusions.
As for same race murder, it's more prevalent on both sides, clearly. My point is that the relatively recent proclamation that black people should be afraid of cops and white people (made by people like Coates and Capehart and other popular black writers) is hard to take seriously when the reverse (the threat of black on white violence) is shrugged off.
Ok I totally missed what you were trying to say and to that I agree with you.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:56 pm to Bushmaster
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Tell the majority of them to stop acting like dumbass thugs and get a job and better themselves.
The majority of black people are thugs and dumbasses? That is the equivalent of saying that the majority of cops are killing innocent people. It only takes a small percent of the population to cause a problem. The majority of white people didn't own slaves but perception will lead you to believe that ever white person's ancestors were slave owners.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:57 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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The majority of black people are thugs and dumbasses? That is the equivalent of saying that the majority of cops are killing innocent people. It only takes a small percent of the population to cause a problem. The majority of white people didn't own slaves but perception will lead you to believe that ever white person's ancestors were slave owners.
Well put. Why can't we all just get along?
Posted on 6/9/15 at 3:58 pm to craig8sm
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 4:02 pm to TFS4E
I think the black community leadership (I know that's a pretty broad "thing") would find that the country is pretty receptive to abusive cop allegations right now if they would focus on better examples, rely less on how this is a phenomenon that impacts only black people, and abandons the frivolous cases.
I think most of us recognize that black communities have histories with the police, often bad histories. There is fault on both sides there, I'm sure, and I think everyone agrees that alienating police and having them avoid communities is a losing proposition (see Baltimore). But, police overreach is impacting all communities, and it seems beneficial to make white people allies, not the target.
I think most of us recognize that black communities have histories with the police, often bad histories. There is fault on both sides there, I'm sure, and I think everyone agrees that alienating police and having them avoid communities is a losing proposition (see Baltimore). But, police overreach is impacting all communities, and it seems beneficial to make white people allies, not the target.
Posted on 6/9/15 at 4:12 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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How is it that these white second amendment extremist can walk public streets and into airports with with aks and walk away without being shot or drawn upon?
If they walk towards a cop and reach for it, they are getting gunned down. Do you think the cop would just let them draw it and fire at them before reacting? And black guys can do it too if they aren't in the habit of brandishing it in threatening ways
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Posted on 6/9/15 at 4:14 pm to Mr. Wayne
It's bias, I just don't think it is particularly worrisome bias. Cops are probably aware that dumb white people do these AR-15 stunts from time to time and don't hurt anyone in the process.
I'm not aware, and cops probably aren't either, of black people doing that kind of thing. I don't think it's "oh he's white, whites aren't violent, I'm safe" as much as "oh he's one of those make-a-point douches."
I'm not aware, and cops probably aren't either, of black people doing that kind of thing. I don't think it's "oh he's white, whites aren't violent, I'm safe" as much as "oh he's one of those make-a-point douches."
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