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re: United CEO doubles down, calls passenger "belligerent", claims United followed rules
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:29 pm to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:29 pm to NYNolaguy1
Freedom to fly
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Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:29 pm to tigerfoot
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You don't have a legal right to that seat, that was removed when you were selected to not have it
The contract of carriage states otherwise. A boarded passenger can be removed if he is unruly.
Was he unruly for asserting his right to a seat?
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:30 pm to Chicken
quote:It's not about what the advantage is. It's about it's your right to do so without being injured, unless you disagree and think the cop does have the right to injure you while forcing himself into your house unlawfully?
so, in your scenario, what was the advantage of resisting the cops' orders? what did that get me besides an injury?
Why in the world would you have no empathy for the person who did no wrong but was injured by the cop instead of having no empathy for whatever the penalty was for the cop? That quite literally makes no sense whatsoever.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:30 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:doesn't have to be. It is within the right of the airline to remove a passenger
That's a dumb analogy too. Evictions take place after a hearing. There was no hearing here.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:31 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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cop removing a trespasser from a plane.
So buying a ticket, getting a boarding pass, boarding, being seated and taking possession of your legally acquired seat now makes you a trespasser?
There is a reason the airline is now reaching out to Tempura and smooching his arse a bit.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:31 pm to tigerfoot
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It is within the right of the airline to remove a passenger
An unruly passenger yes.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:31 pm to tigerfoot
quote:Why?
Stupid analogy.
quote:How is this the correct analogy when United arguably did not follow federal law and he had every legal right to be on the plane, per aviation attorneys who know more than you and I have actually read the United policy and understand federal aviation laws?
Let's go with, you sign a lease for rental property. The property owner legally evicted you, you decide to just sit down. You take a beating because you were an idiot.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:32 pm to Chicken
quote:Apparently, you take up for the cop who broke the law and have empathy for him but you have no empathy for the guy who stood up for his rights and had every right to do so without being injured by the cop. Congrats?
apparently, if you act all hard with the cops, something good will come out of it...after you are discharged from the hospital.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:32 pm to tigerfoot
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You don't have a legal right to that seat, that was removed when you were selected to not have it
Nice assumption that the airlines had the legal right to do so, but what if they didn't? It's unclear what the legality of removing a paying customer over an employee is.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:33 pm to shel311
The policeman was told to remove a passsenger that had no right to the seat. So you suggest what? That is the right if it he property owner. If there is a discrimination issue, it isn't the cops job to decide that.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:37 pm to NYNolaguy1
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If I know I have a legal right to my seat
Your right to that seat ends when you're told to vacate it by the owner or their agent.
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Can a tenant be tresspassing by following everything in the lease?
Purchasing a plane ticket isn't a lease. It even tells you this when you purchase it.
You don't have to like it, but that's the way it is.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:38 pm to tigerfoot
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The policeman was told to remove a passsenger that had no right to the seat.
The passenger had a valid contract to stay in that seat. To suggest he had no right to be there is ficticious - Even further was the claim that he was unruly. The police were told that because they knew he'd get pulled out without question.
My problem with that is that the cops are supposed to assess whether a crime was committed.
What crime do you think this person committed?
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:38 pm to tigerfoot
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It baffles me that folks don't understand the rights of Americans,
You don't have a right to a seat on an airplane.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:39 pm to Hangit
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So buying a ticket, getting a boarding pass, boarding, being seated and taking possession of your legally acquired seat now makes you a trespasser?
No, none of that makes you a trespasser.
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There is a reason the airline is now reaching out to Tempura and smooching his arse a bit.
Sure, but that reason has nothing to do with anything I've said.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:39 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Your right to that seat ends when you're told to vacate it by the owner or their agent
Do me a favor and point out that portion of the contract of carriage for me for a boarded passenger.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:40 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Purchasing a plane ticket isn't a lease
It's a contract, that both sides have to follow. Do you disagree?
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:40 pm to NYNolaguy1
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The passenger had a valid contract to stay in that seat.
No, he didn't.
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The police were told that because they knew he'd get pulled out without question.
More likely, they were told that because it was accurate.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:42 pm to baldona
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Nice assumption that the airlines had the legal right to do so, but what if they didn't? It's unclear what the legality of removing a paying customer over an employee is.
You purchase a ticket you agree to a contract of carriage. It clearly indicates you could be removed from a flight
This isn't hard
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:42 pm to tigerfoot
quote:The federal law be applied properly? Maybe it was, but as I've said about 15 times in this thread, so many are acting like they're 100% certain what the policies and laws are and none of us are.
So you suggest what?
quote:See above...also as I've said another 15 times, there are multiple aviation attorneys who know the law and have read the entire United policy that state they do not think United had any legal grounds to kick him off the flight, so...
That is the right if it he property owner
Posted on 4/11/17 at 8:42 pm to NYNolaguy1
Sure, post it up and we can tackle it together.
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