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re: ULM Student Accused of Rape
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:39 am to Bard
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:39 am to Bard
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Any guy that "wants to be physical but no sex" is either a closet homosexual or a statistical anomaly. That women don't understand this eternal truth is part of the problem. Once you get a guy going he's going to continue to try until something happens to cool the situation down (he eventually just comes to terms with it, she leaves, she gets angry, etc).
quote:
Because by not asking that questions you say it's okay to live in a fantasy world that says all guys are good, decent and always have metric fricktons of self-control. It also sets up a slippery slope of "the female is never wrong".
You're strongly implying she's at fault for being raped.
ETA - You're basically saying "she got raped because she was naive."
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 10:41 am
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:41 am to Salmon
I just can't think of any scenario where, when presented with a rape accusation, where I would apologize and tell her to not report it
talk about condemning yourself
Im going to guess that the accused is pretty naive and lacking any kind of legal training doesn't understand how statements can be construed in the most damning way possible.
talk about condemning yourself
Im going to guess that the accused is pretty naive and lacking any kind of legal training doesn't understand how statements can be construed in the most damning way possible.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:43 am to Salmon
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From what is presented in the OP, about her reporting it to multiple people/counselor relatively quickly and his apparent texts, scenario 1 seems like the lesser of the 2 scenarios
The very fact that you gave 2 answers shows a possible need to ask the question for complete verification of what happened or the victims mentality.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:43 am to SoFla Tideroller
quote:
m going to guess that the accused is pretty naive and lacking any kind of legal training doesn't understand how statements can be construed in the most damning way possible.
perhaps
or his guilty conscience took over and he tried to "nice guy" his way out of it
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:43 am to SoFla Tideroller
quote:This is just an assumption you're making to justify defending him.
Im going to guess that the accused is pretty naive and lacking any kind of legal training doesn't understand how statements can be construed in the most damning way possible.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:45 am to Salmon
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From what is presented in the OP, about her reporting it to multiple people/counselor relatively quickly and his apparent texts, scenario 1 seems like the lesser of the 2 scenarios
Depends on what was said during those conversations. Was she convinced she was raped before or did those conversations change her perception and convince her that she was raped?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:45 am to upgrayedd
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The very fact that you gave 2 answers shows a possible need to ask the question for complete verification of what happened or the victims mentality.
well obviously someone accusing someone of rape isn't going to say the sex was consensual
I just think the answer is irrelevant because the "victim" will really only give one answer and you will have to use other facts/evidence to prove if it wasn't consensual
in this case, it appears she has provided such evidence
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:47 am to Salmon
Another news report
quote:
MONROE, La. - A University of Louisiana at Monroe student has been arrested for raping another student.
The incident allegedly happened in 18-year-old Samuel Hudgens' dorm room on campus back in August of this year.
The female victim says he began kissing her, and she told him she wouldn't have sex with him.
But Hudgens started pulling her pants off, and raped her.
The victim says she told him at least 20 times to stop.
She came forward to campus police recently, and showed them messages from Hudgens admitting he did it.
He was arrested last night, Thursday, November 16, and placed in the Ouachita Correctional Center.
Hudgens is charged with felony second degree rape.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:47 am to Salmon
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well obviously someone accusing someone of rape isn't going to say the sex was consensual
I just think the answer is irrelevant because the "victim" will really only give one answer and you will have to use other facts/evidence to prove if it wasn't consensual
in this case, it appears she has provided such evidence
I guess I'm just of the mentality that the more info from the victim, the better.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:49 am to upgrayedd
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I guess I'm just of the mentality that the more info from the victim, the better.
and like I said, I'm quite certain the actual investigators will ask all of these questions
but we are not investigators and I've been on the OT to know the real meaning of that question from the OT
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:50 am to Salmon
quote:
and like I said, I'm quite certain the actual investigators will ask all of these questions
So it's not victim blaming then
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:52 am to upgrayedd
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So it's not victim blaming then
let's not ignore context please
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:53 am to Salmon
Kind of a psychological question but I wonder how different this thread would have gone had the article I just linked been in the OP where it specifically says that she provided texts of him admitting to the rape.
The same would still be true in that we don't have actual quotes or the full conversation, but would we take the report at face value?
The same would still be true in that we don't have actual quotes or the full conversation, but would we take the report at face value?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:54 am to Salmon
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let's not ignore context please
Ok, I support asking the question in the most clinical way possible, not "the OT way" as you say. Is that better?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:55 am to ell_13
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She came forward to campus police recently, and showed them messages from Hudgens admitting he did it.
That could mean that he admitted he got forceful with her, it could mean that he didnt stop...it could mean he tried to rape/have sex with her..
Where does it say that he admitted he raped her.....and used the work RAPE?
His defense attorney will have a field day with getting to the bottom of what he actually admitted doing
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:56 am to tgrbaitn08
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That could mean that he admitted he got forceful with her, it could mean that he didnt stop.
....which is rape
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:57 am to Salmon
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....which is rape
is it rape if he didn't penetrate?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:58 am to tgrbaitn08
quote:You're talking about a reporter who's writing this, not a cop. There are no quotes anywhere. By "it" you're probably meant to assume "rape".
That could mean that he admitted he got forceful with her, it could mean that he didnt stop...it could mean he tried to rape/have sex with her..
Where does it say that he admitted he raped her.....and used the work RAPE?
His defense attorney will have a field day with getting to the bottom of what he actually admitted doing
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:59 am to tgrbaitn08
at that point it is sexual assault
but all signs point to penetration occurred, that doesn't appear to be in question
but all signs point to penetration occurred, that doesn't appear to be in question
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:01 am to Salmon
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but all signs point to penetration occurred, that doesn't appear to be in question
ok well then...he's fricked..doesnt matter if it was consensual or not...she said she was raped...and thats that
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