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Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:16 am to TheAlmightySmash
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So we've transitioned from a netflix and chill r8p to an ally in new orleans stype r8p?
no
no we haven't
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:17 am to upgrayedd
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This is my biggest gripe when it comes to rape allegations. No one is allowed to question the woman and if you do you're "blaming her". It's the most intellectually lazy shite on Earth.
Yes and questioning why an alleged rape victim didn't just "get up and leave" is the essence of intellectual
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:18 am to upgrayedd
quote:Girl says she was raped by friend she's known a long time. Guy admits to rape and asks girl not to report it. Girl reports rape.
I just don't understand why the act of asking that question is akin to "blaming" the victim. It's total nonsense.
Why didn't girl just leave? - OT
Do you not see why that's a dumb fricking question?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:18 am to ell_13
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Just because there's an opportunity to stop a bad thing from happening, doesn't make you at fault for that bad thing
No one is blaming her or putting the onus on her. Goddamn it.
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That's like saying the parents of mass murderers are guilty of those murders because they saw possible signs of mental illness and didn't take every step possible to get help for their kids.
That's not even close to what's going on here. You're looking at this like a hysterical woman.
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How am I emotionally invested? I've never been a rape victim and don't know one that I know of.
Because you're acting as if this were your daughter.
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You are trying to defend asking an obvious victim of a crime (admitted to by the guy) why she let the crime take place.
I'm not. You're projecting that on me.
Once again, you are emotionally invested.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:19 am to Barneyrb
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If some chick I didn't like tried to stick her hand in my pants i'd bounce tf out
I had this happen in a bar in Lafayette once, I bought her a beer and said no way.
But she was ugly
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:19 am to Salmon
I raised 2 daughters and my instructions to them were tell him no once and if you had to say it twice either leave or call Daddy. As I said in my op I'm not blaming her at all.
I do think this was a tape and he should be charged
I do think this was a tape and he should be charged
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 9:23 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:20 am to upgrayedd
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I just don't understand why the act of asking that question is akin to "blaming" the victim. It's total nonsense.
because the question basically translates to "well if you had read the signs correctly and just left he wouldn't have raped you"
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:20 am to Tygra
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I can’t believe you are so ignorant that people have to make excuses for the victim to you in a case where the accused admitted fault. You are a POS.
I have said that it looks like the guy did it. Hell, I didn't even ask the question of "why didn't she leave?". Another poster did.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:20 am to upgrayedd
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I just don't understand why the act of asking that question is akin to "blaming" the victim.
It's not complicated. Asking that kind of question implies that there was something she should have done or that she did something wrong. Essentially it shifts blame from the piece of shite who violated her onto the one who was violated, when 100% of the blame should go with the aggressor.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:21 am to ell_13
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Do you not see why that's a dumb fricking question?
Dumb question =/= victim blaming
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:21 am to upgrayedd
quote:Asking why she didn't leave is exactly what "putting the onus on her" is. You're being very ignorant here.
No one is blaming her or putting the onus on her. Goddamn it.
quote:Saying it's not and then instead of saying why it's not, you throw a personal attack isn't exactly an argument.
That's not even close to what's going on here. You're looking at this like a hysterical woman.
quote:I don't have a daughter. I'm acting like the guy admitted to rape.
Because you're acting as if this were your daughter
quote:Saying I'm emotionally invested, when I'm not emotionally invested, is a great way for you to try and devalue what I'm saying without actually arguing against it. Well done.
I'm not. You're projecting that on me.
Once again, you are emotionally invested.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:23 am to ell_13
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Asking why she didn't leave is exactly what "putting the onus on her" is. You're being very ignorant here.
Jesus Christ. We're not going to agree on this, so let's just end it here.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:23 am to Salmon
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what if the chick was 100 lbs heavier than you, a lot stronger than you and was holding you down?
No where in the article does it say she was forcibly r8ped. The only logical thing I can come up with is that she didn't realize what was going on at the time. The article doesn't even mention a physical struggle. There are obliviously a lot of details missing.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:24 am to TheAlmightySmash
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No where in the article does it say she was forcibly r8ped.
what exactly do you think "rape" means?
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:26 am to upgrayedd
quote:So they're dumbasses for asking but not POS?
Dumb question =/= victim blaming
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 9:26 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:26 am to Jeaux Cool
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approximately 20 times
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oddly specific number
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approximately
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 9:27 am
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:27 am to ell_13
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And you're saying it's her fault for trusting someone she's known for years and being in denial that he would take it that far.
Your assertion seems is that fault here is all-or-nothing, that's a false dilemma. While the guy bears the vast brunt of the responsibility for not being rapey in the first place, she should have been watching for the warning signs.
No matter how much the point is pounded home that forcing yourself on someone else is bad, there will always be guys that do it. Seriously, this whole Hollywood molestation thing that's going on will eventually peter out and things will go right back to how they've always been. If you think any real lasting difference will come of it, you've never really studied history or people in general.
Not urging women to be aware of the warning signs (even if it's someone you trust) and how to react to them ignores all this and does nothing to keep more women from being victims in the future.
Had she left after the 2nd or 3rd time he tried to get her pants off of her would this event may well not even have happened.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:28 am to Salmon
quote:Right? We have an obvious case here, but somehow people are still questioning the girl and defending the guy.
what exactly do you think "rape" means?
And I believe tons of rape cases are where the girl regrets it after the fact. Or both parties were drunk yet only the guy is responsible for his actions. But this isn't that.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:29 am to Bard
quote:So you're saying a rape victim will always hold some blame either because she was ignorant or she didn't do something sooner to prevent it? Always?
No matter how much the point is pounded home that forcing yourself on someone else is bad, there will always be guys that do it. Seriously, this whole Hollywood molestation thing that's going on will eventually peter out and things will go right back to how they've always been. If you think any real lasting difference will come of it, you've never really studied history or people in general.
Not urging women to be aware of the warning signs (even if it's someone you trust) and how to react to them ignores all this and does nothing to keep more women from being victims in the future.
Had she left after the 2nd or 3rd time he tried to get her pants off of her would this event may well not even have happened.
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