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Two of every species, or evolution after the flood?
Posted on 9/28/26 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 9/28/26 at 5:07 pm
I’m genuinely curious how people reconcile these two positions.
If Noah did not literally take two members of every individual species onto the Ark, then the usual explanation is that he took two of each broader “kind,” and the many species we see today descended from those original kinds afterward.
But if that is the explanation, how is that not evolution?
For example, if Noah took one ancestral “dog kind,” and wolves, coyotes, foxes, jackals, domestic dogs, and other canids diversified from that ancestral population after the Flood, that requires inherited variation, mutation, selection, reproductive isolation, and speciation. Those are evolutionary mechanisms.
And because the Flood is supposed to have happened only a few thousand years ago, this would require an extraordinarily rapid amount of diversification in a very short period of time.
So what am I missing? It seems like there are only a few possibilities: either the modern species already existed and Noah had to take representatives of every single species onto the Ark, or broader “kinds” diversified into many species afterward, which is evolution, or there is some third biological mechanism producing new species that I’m unaware of. What is that third mechanism?
If Noah did not literally take two members of every individual species onto the Ark, then the usual explanation is that he took two of each broader “kind,” and the many species we see today descended from those original kinds afterward.
But if that is the explanation, how is that not evolution?
For example, if Noah took one ancestral “dog kind,” and wolves, coyotes, foxes, jackals, domestic dogs, and other canids diversified from that ancestral population after the Flood, that requires inherited variation, mutation, selection, reproductive isolation, and speciation. Those are evolutionary mechanisms.
And because the Flood is supposed to have happened only a few thousand years ago, this would require an extraordinarily rapid amount of diversification in a very short period of time.
So what am I missing? It seems like there are only a few possibilities: either the modern species already existed and Noah had to take representatives of every single species onto the Ark, or broader “kinds” diversified into many species afterward, which is evolution, or there is some third biological mechanism producing new species that I’m unaware of. What is that third mechanism?
Posted on 9/28/26 at 5:09 pm to northshorebamaman
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So what am I missing?
A lot.
Posted on 9/28/26 at 5:11 pm to Tiger985
quote:Clearly, hence the question. You seem confident. What am I missing?
A lot.
Posted on 9/28/26 at 5:14 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:Allegory .... idiot!
Two of every species, or evolution after the flood?
I’m genuinely curious how people reconcile these two positions.
Posted on 9/28/26 at 5:15 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:Sure. That's what I think but many people take a literal interpretation. That's who I'm asking.
Allegory .... idiot!
Posted on 9/28/26 at 5:17 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:they're mutually exclusive. evolution is a lie from Satan. Believe God or believe satan. choose wisely.
I’m genuinely curious how people reconcile these two positions.
Posted on 9/28/26 at 5:18 pm to northshorebamaman
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If Noah did not literally take two members of every individual species onto the Ark, then the usual explanation is that he took two of each broader “kind,” and the many species we see today descended from those original kinds afterward.
Correct.
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But if that is the explanation, how is that not evolution?
It is. Microevolution isn't an issue.
Edit: I'm not a young earther; just explaining the logic.
This post was edited on 9/28/26 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 9/28/26 at 5:18 pm to NC_Tigah
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Allegory .... idiot!
I don't think the people who try to force the "kind" distinction often agree this is an allegory
Posted on 9/28/26 at 5:19 pm to faraway
quote:So you believe in the two of every species on earth theory?
they're mutually exclusive. evolution is a lie from Satan. Believe God or believe satan. choose wisely.
Posted on 9/28/26 at 5:20 pm to northshorebamaman
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And because the Flood is supposed to have happened only a few thousand years ago, this would require an extraordinarily rapid amount of diversification in a very short period of time.
According to written receipts there was another about 2000 years before that...
Posted on 9/28/26 at 5:20 pm to AcadieAnne
quote:The kinds explanation is not "micro-evolution." It's evolution on steroids.
It is. Microevolution isn't an issue.
This post was edited on 9/28/26 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 9/28/26 at 5:23 pm to northshorebamaman
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What is that third mechanism?
That it's just a story and disconnected from reality.
Posted on 9/28/26 at 5:23 pm to northshorebamaman
Floods can’t kill everything…
Posted on 9/28/26 at 5:24 pm to northshorebamaman
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The kinds explanation in not "micro-evolution." It's evolution on steroids.
They don't see it that way. A bird is a bird is a bird. I've watched some of their videos to figure out what their deal was, and they truly do consider it microevolution. Make of that what you will.
Posted on 9/28/26 at 5:24 pm to northshorebamaman
It’s a nuanced conversation. Evolution can exist in a sense that species change over time. That’s different than all species evolving from a single celled organism.
Posted on 9/28/26 at 5:26 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:besides a chromosome?
So what am I missing?
Posted on 9/28/26 at 5:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:You are entitled to your opinion. However, in the perihistorical period that is how disaster history was depicted ... in virtually every instance.
I don't think the people who try to force the "kind" distinction often agree this is an allegory
Posted on 9/28/26 at 5:28 pm to AcadieAnne
quote:A wolf and coyote descending from a common ancestor is clearly evolution, and further, the kinds explanation leaves only a few thousand years to evolve. It's hyper-evolution. Yet these same folks very often don't believe in evolution so I'm curious what mechanism leads to the diverse number of species on earth from a few 'kinds.'
They don't see it that way. A bird is a bird is a bird. I've watched some of their videos to figure out what their deal was, and they truly do consider it microevolution. Make of that what you will.

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