re: Two HBCUs play, 2 killed, 14 injured in celebration of culture.

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Can you elaborate?

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This AI overview is actually pretty good:

Honor culture emphasizes a socially-conferred, external reputation that can be granted or taken away by others, requiring individuals to defend their honor and social image, while dignity culture focuses on an inherent, individual, and internal worth that is not affected by the social regard of others. Dignity culture promotes the idea that all individuals possess intrinsic value and deserve equal respect, whereas honor culture is characterized by a duty to protect one's own and one's family's reputation, sometimes leading to a strong need to reciprocate wrongs or insults.

Honor Culture
Source of Worth: Socially conferred worth, reputation, and a positive social image.
Key Principle: Defending and protecting personal and group honor is crucial, often requiring strong responses to perceived insults or affronts.
Behavioral Tendencies: People in honor cultures are more likely to demand respect, tolerate fewer offenses, and feel compelled to respond to wrongs done to them.
Geographic Prevalence: Found in regions like Latin America, the Southern U.S., the Middle East, and the Mediterranean.

Dignity Culture
Source of Worth: Inherent, internal, and context-independent worth possessed by all individuals.
Key Principle: All persons deserve respect and fair treatment due to their intrinsic worth as human beings.
Behavioral Tendencies: Emphasizes individual autonomy and accountability, promoting a rights-oriented approach rather than a duty-based one.
Geographic Prevalence: Hypothesized to be more common in regions like the Northeastern and Midwestern United States.

Key Differences Summarized
Internal vs. External Value: Dignity is an internal, inherent quality, while honor is an external reputation.
Social Influence: Dignity is less affected by social opinion, whereas honor is heavily influenced by social regard.
Motivation: Dignity cultures are built on the principles of individual autonomy and equality, while honor cultures emphasize personal and family responsibility for reputation.

seems "paternal" to point out that one victim was a woman

Were there any incidents for the Karr/St. Aug game?

Roll around with dogs, someone will get fleas

Statues again?

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Which leads to the next fact of the matter: After 150 years of beint able to partake in that far-superb dignity culture, black Americans just keep going backwards.

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I’ll push back on this a bit. I would argue that even the US, and especially the southern US, has only been a dignity culture for about the last century. The Hatfields and McCoys are obviously a famous example of an honor based cultural expression, but southerners feeling compelled to “defend their honor” isn’t all that long past. Hell, I imagine there are areas of Appalachia in which it 100% still exists.

Further, if you dig into honor cultures, they tend to develop when a population perceives (correct or incorrect is irrelevant) the power of the State to either be non-existent or not accessible to them. As such, I would say that the ingredients for black Americans were present at least through the civil rights era, if not into the War on Drugs era.

I’m less surprised that it currently exists than I am how many people either tacitly or explicitly take the position that it’s an equally valid culture. To me, that’s the problem. And to put a finer point in it, people only seem to pay attention to the extreme acts: the shootings, the honor killings. But that’s just the end game. Stamping out honor culture starts with socially punishing anyone who has an outsized response to a perceived slight.

And this ignores the worrying trend that I’ve seen argued that we are moving away from a split of honor and dignity cultures and into a new form of “victimhood culture” that will be its own monster to deal with.

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You really want to get yourself shot in the neck in front of your kids, don't you? You need to get your thinking straight now. This is the fault of white people and Trump. If you think otherwise, you are a racist nazi.

Sincerely,

OT Moderates and Progressives

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I’m not just talking about black people. It is a culture that obviously has infested inner city communities but tons of “normal” Americans celebrate it too.

Example: When New Orleans hosted the Super Bowl and they televised women shaking their asses before the game, I said that wasn’t appropriate for national TV and got downvoted to hell. The two go hand in hand. I’m sorry but you can’t have one without the other. You want to bring back morality to society, you can’t promote New Orleans bounce on what is supposed to be a family, friendly broadcast over national airwaves.

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if someone falls into the trap of thinking it’s a cultural void instead of an active culture, they miss the plot a bit.

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Very interesting. What of the idea that a void of a better culture leaves room for the more base/natural/default honor culture to appear, for example without good fathers?

This will get less coverage than the fake news about black kids in zip ties.

I blame the encouragement to use a sad looking ferris wheel