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Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:31 am to
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
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Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:31 am to
I do not, so take it fwiw.

The post from the army aviator on Reddit is this:

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I am an active duty United States Army instructor pilot, CW3, in a Combat Aviation Brigade. The Army, not the crew, is most likely entirely responsible for the crash in Washington DC that killed 64 civilians, plus the crew of the H60 and it will happen again.

For decades, Army pilots have complained about our poor training and being pulled in several directions to do every other job but flying, all while our friends died for lack of training and experience. That pilot flying near your United flight? He has flown fewer than 80 hours in the last year because he doesn’t even make his minimums. He rarely studied because he is too busy working on things entirely unrelated to flying for 50 hours per work week.

When we were only killing each other via our mistakes, no one really cared, including us. Army leadership is fine with air crews dying and attempts to solve the issue by asking more out of us (longer obligations) while taking away pay and education benefits. You better care now, after our poor skill has resulted in a downed airliner and 64 deaths. This will not be the last time. We will cause more accidents and kill more innocent people.

For those careerist CW4, CW5, and O6+ about to angrily type out that I am a Russian or Chinese troll, you’re a fool. I want you to be mad about the state of Army aviation and call for it to be fixed. We are an amateur flying force. We are incompetent and dangerous, we know it, and we will not fix it on our own. We need to be better to fight and win our nation’s wars, not kill our own citizens. If you don’t want your loved ones to be in the next plane we take down, you need to contact your Congressman and demand better training and more focus on flying for our pilots. Lives depend on it and you can be sure the Army isn’t going to fix itself.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 7:32 am
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
39550 posts
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:35 am to
Any real proof?

I don't belive that...
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:35 am to
My buddy flies Blackhawks and didn't say anything like that when I was chatting with him about this incident. That's certainly an interesting take.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:36 am to
Here are the links to the audio:

LINK
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
15263 posts
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:37 am to
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Same way he knew the NOLA terrorist was an immigrant and that turned out to be false?


Well he's the President now so he can literally call Pete Hegseth and say I want that crew's service and medical records on my desk by sunrise and it's done. He knows.....
Posted by BamaSaint
Moh-beel
Member since Mar 2013
3967 posts
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:38 am to
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Oh you're still doing this? Didn't take the hint when it got deleted last time?

Are you disputing that Trump insinuated that it was illegal immigration responsible for the attack? He 100% did do that based on the bullshite Fox report
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:41 am to
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My buddy flies Blackhawks and didn't say anything like that when I was chatting with him about this incident. That's certainly an interesting take.


Well, someone fricked up.

Preliminary evidence suggests it wasn’t the ATC or the CRJ.
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:42 am to
I believe that post. Our military is a joke. We literally had a plane fall out if the sky 3 days ago and slam into the ground and now 64 innocent people killed by our military.

Its disgusting. Not sure if it's because of wokeness or what but it needs to change
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 7:44 am
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
73516 posts
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:43 am to
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Watching the video, the helicopter is 100% in the fault.


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Probably so, but that doesnt mean its "DEI"


True. But considering the focus that’s been placed on DEI for the past four years by the Pentagon, the possibility that DEI was a contributing factor is a good possibility and cannot be dismissed.

I know many want to do just that, dismiss the notion DEI lead to this tragedy, just as others want to lay it at DEI’s feet. Both groups are, for the most part, motivated by political considerations and are wanting to use this tragedy to lend credence to their ideology.

But the fact that for years now our government, which controls both the ATC and military, and major corporations like American Airlines, have actively and openly recruited, hired, and promoted individuals based on things like gender, race, and sexual orientation over merit, a practice that has never been done before in these fields; logic would dictate that the effect of DEI on this tragedy cannot be dismissed and must be thoroughly investigated.

So while it’s wrong to immediately blame DEI, at least on the part of those of us without any insider knowledge of the investigation thus far, it’s equally wrong for those of us who immediately dismiss it as well.
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:45 am to
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Well, someone fricked up.


He's in pretty firm agreement with that

ETA I was talking more about the whole Army is killing them with lack of training and whatnot.
This post was edited on 1/31/25 at 7:47 am
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:48 am to
I doubt a BH pilot with sufficient training crashes into a CRJ on final descent.
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
89099 posts
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:52 am to
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I doubt a BH pilot with sufficient training crashes into a CRJ on final descent.


People with sufficient training frick up things all the time. We are human after all. I'm not going to pretend to know anything about this pilot
Posted by Splackavellie
Bayou
Member since Oct 2017
12582 posts
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:59 am to
LINK

Link to a similar video of the crash, maybe from a little closer and from the ground level.

SIAP
Posted by TheGasMan
Member since Oct 2014
3484 posts
Posted on 1/31/25 at 7:59 am to
To be fair the F35 flight control system is a joke. That pilot (and the one in SC that the DoD pinned the blame on that flew for 12 minutes after he punched out) did everything they could it seems, held back by an over complicated and unresponsive control system. Take a look at the incident report from the SC punch out.

Oh and that Jo Ellis post is confirmed to be not real. She/he has posted this morning. The side by side of the pilot and Jo aren’t even close to being the same person . Who would’ve thought that the initial post form a guy named “FakeGayPolitics” would be eaten up by trolls and posted all over.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
45118 posts
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:02 am to
quote:

But the fact that for years now our government, which controls both the ATC and military, and major corporations like American Airlines, have actively and openly recruited, hired, and promoted individuals based on things like gender, race, and sexual orientation over merit, a practice that has never been done before in these fields; logic would dictate that the effect of DEI on this tragedy cannot be dismissed and must be thoroughly investigated.
Hear, hear. Well said sir.
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
39550 posts
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:02 am to
People are so stupid that post that shite.

Literally 20 seconds on Google showed it as fake...

Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
73516 posts
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:03 am to
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People with sufficient training frick up things all the time. We are human after all. I'm not going to pretend to know anything about this pilot


Exactly. For starters, we don’t know how well, or how poorly , trained these pilots actually were. Likewise, we don’t know the same about ATC. All we know for sure right now is basically two things:


1. The Blackhawk was flying at almost twice the allowable altitude for the airspace where the crash happened.

2. The Blackhawk crashed into the incoming AA airliner.

What we don’t know is:

1. why was the Blackhawk flying almost twice as high as is allowed?

2. Were the pilots in the Blackhawk aware they were too high? If not, why?

3. Was ATC aware the Blackhawk was too high? Again, if not, why?

Bottom line is the system designed to prevent this sort of tragedy from happening failed the other night. The sole focus of the NTSB and Pentagon investigations must be to get answers to these questions, no matter where those answers take us. Otherwise, this sort of thing can and will happen again.
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
48806 posts
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:04 am to
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People are so stupid
period
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
39550 posts
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:07 am to
Everyone with a lick of sense knows DEI is ridiculous, but to bring DEI into this specific incident before any proof is shown that it is a contributing factor is illogical.

Crowded airspace and understaffed ATC, and pilot error are the logical conclusions as this point.
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
7647 posts
Posted on 1/31/25 at 8:08 am to
A VFR helo busting an altitude by 200’ isn’t the news flash you think it is.
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