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re: Titanic tourist submarine goes missing

Posted on 6/22/23 at 7:38 am to
Posted by ninthward
Boston, MA
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 7:38 am to
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There’s evidence they were alive after comms went down. So it seems at this point more likely they simply lost power and had poor back up communication ability.
no there isn't
Posted by BK Lounge
Member since Nov 2021
4724 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 7:39 am to
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This has probably be asked. But would the Sub Captain keep descending after he knew they lost communication? Especially if he knew they had no form of navigation or backup communication.




$$


Didnt want to lose profit .
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 7:39 am to
You should watch the Alfred Hitchcock classic Lifeboat.
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
6539 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 7:39 am to
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I suppose it doesn't have a toilet.


Well if it does. . .

Posted by PhiTiger1764
Lurker since Aug 2003
Member since Oct 2009
14332 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 7:42 am to
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Let’s say there were two people on this sub, Jim and Joe.

Jim gets it in his mind to end Joe

What legal consequences does Jim face?


This would be murder I think.
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
4922 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 7:56 am to
quote:

This would be murder I think.

But how would the situation be taken into account?
Posted by Kansas City King
Columbia, MO
Member since Oct 2020
3169 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 7:58 am to
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Carbon fiber is very strong against stretching, not compression. Therefore, the actual strength of the hull is determined by the glueing compound, which might become brittle in low temperatures like in the deep sea
Posted by BK Lounge
Member since Nov 2021
4724 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 8:03 am to
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Retired Navy submariner says he was told the sub was trying to release ballast at the time they lost comms, indicating they were too heavy and descending too fast






Ive been watching that guy’s live stream for the last couple hours, it’s really informative.. also hilarious since he keeps vaping the whole time.. but def knows his shite .



LINK
This post was edited on 6/22/23 at 8:13 am
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
6539 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 8:06 am to
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This would be murder I think.


The "murderer" was on the sub with the victims. I think murder would be tough to convict. These aren't unsuspecting people going on a joy ride not knowing anything about the sub. They're millionaires with the ability to have people do their due diligence. And they signed waivers saying death is a possible outcome. Negligent manslaughter I could see maybe.

This is a scene from the search crew at the moment.

Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
69859 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 8:07 am to
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
22387 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 8:14 am to
Shape has a hell of a lot to do with strength. Egg is a great example.

Not sure about banging noise. Just about every sub is made of metal. Banging on a metal structure is louder and travels far under water. Wouldn’t think a carbon fiber structure would produce a loud ping at all. Subs and other listening devices probably never tried to detect/locate acoustic banging from that type of material. Probably nothing catalogued for carbon fiber sounds. 1 in a million it would be heard or even understood as a hull bang from that type of craft.

They were on their own from the outset.
This post was edited on 6/22/23 at 8:32 am
Posted by sicboy
Because Awesome
Member since Nov 2010
78819 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 8:22 am to
Probably a moot point, but the sub has officially run out of breathable air based on the Coast Guards estimates.
This post was edited on 6/22/23 at 8:27 am
Posted by sqerty
AP
Member since May 2022
7405 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 8:23 am to
They went straight down into the wreck. Titanic sucked 'em in as payback for landing on her deck all those times.
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1161 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 8:26 am to
OceanGate's calculations showed the cylinder that forms the center section of the crew compartment should have a wall thickness of 4.5 in (114 mm), which they rounded up to 5.0 in (127 mm); it consists of 480 alternating layers of pre-preg unidirectional cloth, laid in the axial direction, and wet-wound filament, laid in the hoop direction. The cylinder was built in 2017 and cured at 137 °C (279 °F) for 7 days.[19] The entire pressure vessel consists of two titanium hemispheres, two matching titanium interface rings, and the 142 cm (56 in) internal diameter, 2.4-meter-long (7.9 ft) carbon fiber wound cylinder – the largest such device ever built for use in a crewed submersible.[23] One of the titanium hemispherical end caps is fitted with a 380 mm-diameter (15 in) acrylic window.[19] In addition to the crew compartment, Titan includes a landing skid structure and outer glass fiber composite shell, both bolted to the titanium interface rings.[19] Overall, the Titan is 670 cm × 280 cm × 250 cm (22.0 ft × 9.2 ft × 8.2 ft) and weighs 9,525 kg (20,999 lb) with a maximum payload of 685 kg (1,510 lb). It moves at up to 3 kn (5.6 km/h; 3.5 mph) using four electric thrusters, arrayed two horizontal and two vertical. The vessel carries sufficient oxygen to sustain a full complement of five people for 96 hours.[9]

Titan is equipped with a real-time acoustic monitoring system, which OceanGate claims can detect the onset of buckling in the carbon fiber hull prior to catastrophic failure.[2] Rush holds a patent on the system.[24]

as per wiki
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
102584 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 8:34 am to
quote:

Titan is equipped with a real-time acoustic monitoring system, which OceanGate claims can detect the onset of buckling in the carbon fiber hull prior to catastrophic failure.[2] Rush holds a patent on the system.[24]


Well then. They knew it was coming for a few milliseconds.
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1161 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 8:39 am to
I know right,

captain: "we can monitor the complete condition of the hull"
red alert light comes on
passenger: "hey what's th....pop
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
37378 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 8:42 am to
There is a reason they signed liability waivers to go down on that sub. Such a venture was very risky. And when I heard that owner brag about not hiring the best, but going the 'diversity' route, that may have been the straw that tipped the probability scales. Albeit, people climb Everest for the feeling. If I had the $ I might do it, though I would get some sort of Sacre religious vibe off of viewing the site of a human catastrophe with anything less than 100% reverence.

They are like the kid that jumped in the water. They are gone. God rest their souls.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
102584 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 8:43 am to
Hull's all like, "hey, I'm deflecting... and I'm done."
Posted by tigarida
West Palm Beach
Member since Oct 2009
136 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 8:44 am to
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