re: Titanic tourist submarine goes missing

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This kind of statement has to be taken with a grain of salt in that everyone shown in any article as being associated with that company, including the CEO, looks to be a 50s year old white guy.

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It's in his own words dumbshit.

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Been reading everything I can find about this sub, which makes me a bona-fide interwebs expert.

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Sounds good. Fire away!!

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best guess is the sub is either A- Tangled in cable, rope or fishing net and unable to free itself or B- They attempted to enter an open section of the Titanic's hull and there was a collapse, trapping the sub.

I figure if there was a catastrophic hull breech and the sub imploded, there would be substantial debris floating on the surface. There must be many buoyant objects/parts which would have surfaced by now.

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There must be many buoyant objects/parts which would have surfaced by now.

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Yes and the Atlantic Ocean is tiny so pieces of that thing would be spotted immediately…

Ballard was there like 40 yrs ago…

Like the Malaysian airliner?

I think the point is that, even with planes and ships searching the surface, it’s still not exactly easy to find a relatively small object in a big arse ocean. During the day you have visuals but the thing isn’t painted neon orange or anything. Radar isn’t gonna give a very big echo without radar reflectors because the sub would barely be above the surface. Plus rain and seas can mask the subs echo or cause false echoes. The aircraft probably have Infrared but not sure if that would help in this case or not

Not to mention that in 12,000 feet of water Subsurface currents and surface currents are gonna be completely different. Likely multiple layers of subsurface currents running in all kinds of directions

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I’m going to post this one more time. Here’s the data from a seismometer off the coast of St Johns Newfoundland for Sunday. Now you smooth brains may say “but wait gasman, this thing went down on Monday”. Easily explained by reporters bamboozling the time due to the sub diving in UTC time.

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Was curious took a look and mostly agree. My hesitation to fully agree is due to my lack of knowledge on the type of "seismometer" used, it's design frequency response and other receiver and processing variables.

Nonetheless, discounting a geologic signal coincidence explanation, this data point is difficult to ignore. The second line labeled 2100 is characteristic of a classic subsea implosion event; the initial high energy collapse and secondary "bubble" impulse energy.

You may recall this was how Scorpion was found, via data triangulation of older but similar systems.



Understand that SOSUS was decommissioned and replaced with newer systems. If by chance one of our boomers or fast attacks was passing by within a few hundred miles (or more) at the time of the incident, Sonar heard and it would have been reported up the chain of command, eventually to the Coast Guard.

USCG would not disclose to keep public confidence in a successful recovery mission of live humans. I'm fairly certain the Navy knows.

While here I want to add to something I posted way earlier and that you commented upon with correct info on incompatibly with Titan's hatch.

The Navy doesn't have a DSRV capable of helping at Titanic depth, because our nuclear sub fleet dives no where near this depth. Thus, no reason to design and build for 4,000 meters when our subs travel at far shallower deep depths.

What those are is generally in the public domain, but I like you am not at liberty to disclose. NR-1 was capable of far deeper dives than publicly said, our main nuke fleet not so much.

Speculative theory: based on time scales reported, Titan imploded around 10,000 fsw into the dive, or lost power and is resting on bottom. Either way, the first was deadly the second also by now due to hypothermic conditions. The lack of comms with Titan's USBL transponder lends credence to the first, assuming it has backup batteries as usual.

During the news conference today, the Woods Hole rep rightly avoided commenting on the periodic "noise" heard by the sonobuoys. WHOI is analyzing acoustic data received from the field searchers. My WHOI contact doesn't know anything, and is smart enough to say nothing if he did. Alvin is currently on the West Coast of California and not involved.

Simply and utterly stunning, completely unqualified.

" Phil Brooks Director of Engineering

As Director of Engineering, Phil Brooks is responsible for all engineering of OceanGate’s innovative fleet of manned submersibles. Phil has made major contributions to OceanGate’s flagship submersible, Titan, developing several techniques for Acoustic Emission Monitoring of its carbon fiber hull. Brooks has also developed the navigation, communication, and propulsion systems for Titan and Cyclops.

Prior to OceanGate, Brooks worked as a software and hardware engineer for Microsoft, Intel, Siemens, and other tech companies.

His primary industry experience has been in the field of medical systems and medical imaging. While at Resonex, Brooks co-authored the patent for MRI Kinematic Imaging. He has several other patents in display driver technology. Phil also developed the Natus Cerebral Function Monitor, CFM 6000, a system for monitoring brain activity.

Brooks holds a bachelor’s degree in computer science from Seattle Pacific University."

Looks like even more acoustic events have been found

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A Canadian surveillance vessel has detected more underwater noises in the area where rescuers are searching for a submersible that went missing in the North Atlantic while bringing five people down to the wreck of the Titanic, authorities said Wednesday.

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LINK

Seems like we have quite a few acoustic wizards in this thread. What other types of situations would cause those "sounds" to occur?

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guess the good news is now we know carbon fiber hulls don’t work in extreme deep sea conditions

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I mean, maybe that’s the lesson. Hard to say we know it now.