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re: Titanic tourist submarine goes missing
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:22 am to Jorts R Us
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:22 am to Jorts R Us
How does this thing not have some kind of tracker on it?
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Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:23 am to diat150
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Here is a good question. 5 people onboard breathing oxygen. You have a pocket knife and are stuck onboard. Do you attempt to kill the 4 other passengers to give yourself more oxygen and a better chance of being found?
This is assuming that the vessel didnt implode.
Do you really have that much room to move about and ensure you come out on top before the other guys get invovled?
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:24 am to diat150
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Here is a good question. 5 people onboard breathing oxygen. You have a pocket knife and are stuck onboard. Do you attempt to kill the 4 other passengers to give yourself more oxygen and a better chance of being found?
I asked this earlier and it doesn’t sound like their oxygen is in a tank, as in a limited amount of oxygen, but rather they have machines to make it and their limiting factor is likely their battery power to run the machines? If you killed someone or 2 people under that circumstance I don’t think you could extend the time.
It also seems like realistically with the temperature down there they would freeze well before their oxygen ran out? It may be 96 hours in the machine but not 96 hours at 12,000 ft depth ?
This post was edited on 6/21/23 at 7:27 am
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:25 am to baldona
Seems like a tether line would have been helpful
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:25 am to baldona
I can't believe it doesn't have an umbilical. frick everything about that tube.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:26 am to hg
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How does this thing not have some kind of tracker on it?
With sonar, seems fairly simple to have something inside the vessel that could do a ‘ping’ and alert someone up top where you are? I mean even a damn hand held device? Banging Morse code would come to mind also, but Jesus 2 billionaires on there should be able to have some better tech.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:27 am to Smeg
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Wonder if his opinion had changed?
The lawyers of billionaires are about to destroy this guy.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:28 am to baldona
NASA contributed to building the sub
something new, a nasa connection
"The submersible that went missing with five people on board during a dive to the wreck of the Titanic on Sunday (June 18) was built with NASA's help.
Washington-based company OceanGate consulted engineers at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Alabama during the development of the deep-sea submersible, which is called Titan.
The collaboration came via a Space Act agreement with the agency, according to OceanGate.
"NASA's expertise in the design and automated fiber placement lay up of composite hulls was extremely valuable on this project," OceanGate founder and CEO Stockton Rush said in a March 2022 statement."
"Another crewmate on board the troubled Titan is Shahzada Dawood, vice chairman of the Pakistan-based conglomerate Dawood Hercules Corporation. Dawood is a trustee of the SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) Institute in Mountain View, California."
something new, a nasa connection
"The submersible that went missing with five people on board during a dive to the wreck of the Titanic on Sunday (June 18) was built with NASA's help.
Washington-based company OceanGate consulted engineers at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Alabama during the development of the deep-sea submersible, which is called Titan.
The collaboration came via a Space Act agreement with the agency, according to OceanGate.
"NASA's expertise in the design and automated fiber placement lay up of composite hulls was extremely valuable on this project," OceanGate founder and CEO Stockton Rush said in a March 2022 statement."
"Another crewmate on board the troubled Titan is Shahzada Dawood, vice chairman of the Pakistan-based conglomerate Dawood Hercules Corporation. Dawood is a trustee of the SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) Institute in Mountain View, California."
This post was edited on 6/21/23 at 7:31 am
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:29 am to Smeg
The irony of it all. During construction, the people who built the Titanic stuck a sign on the ship "Not even God can sink this ship".
Now along comes this Rush clown and taunts fate by saying he'll break the rules and build a submersible that will take people down to visit the victims of the Titanic.
Break the rules, pay the price.
I hope rescurers can save them. But first they have to find the thing, then get it back to the surface, then unscrew those 17 bolts to that entrance. Not good.
Now along comes this Rush clown and taunts fate by saying he'll break the rules and build a submersible that will take people down to visit the victims of the Titanic.
Break the rules, pay the price.
I hope rescurers can save them. But first they have to find the thing, then get it back to the surface, then unscrew those 17 bolts to that entrance. Not good.
This post was edited on 6/21/23 at 8:40 am
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:30 am to waiting4saturday
quote:He's on the sub with said billionaires.
The lawyers of billionaires are about to destroy this guy.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:31 am to dr
quote:
Washington-based company OceanGate consulted engineers at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Alabama during the development of the deep-sea submersible, which is called Titan. The collaboration came via a Space Act agreement with the agency, according to OceanGate. "NASA's expertise in the design and automated fiber placement lay up of composite hulls was extremely valuable on this project," OceanGate founder and CEO Stockton Rush said in a March 2022 statement."
Did nasa help build, or did the guy get a beer with a guy that worked at nasa and appreciate the marketing opportunity to say that in a statement?
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:34 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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So apparently this souped up carbon pipe actually did have some auto-ascent safety features. I wonder how much of that was tested and validated?
They had sand bags and scrap steel jerry rigged on the bottom so they could drop it for ascent. What else did they have? It would be hilarious if it weren't costing people their lives.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:36 am to tiggerthetooth
If God has any mercy at all, these people are already dead, and died instantaneously when this thing was crushed.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:37 am to different arse
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He's on the sub with said billionaires.
They still gonna go after his family and anyone he’s ever even said hello to.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:38 am to NoSaint
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Did nasa help build, or did the guy get a beer with a guy that worked at nasa and appreciate the marketing opportunity to say that in a statement?
Sounds like NASA basically gave them ideas on how to make cable/tubing penetrations in the shell of the vessel.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:38 am to diat150
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This is assuming that the vessel didnt implode.
LINK
I’m going to post this one more time. Here’s the data from a seismometer off the coast of St Johns Newfoundland for Sunday. Now you smooth brains may say “but wait gasman, this thing went down on Monday”. Easily explained by reporters bamboozling the time due to the sub diving in UTC time.
To copy my previous post on this:
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That’s the seismic record for the station during the day (Sunday). Notice it’s all quiet until a very large deflection of the sensor (deflected by movement of the physical sensor). These deflections are caused by pressure waves passing through. Note that if you look at the next day, it’s nothing but noise because the ocean is quiet again. From that record, you can see 2 deflections. The first small is probably the initial breach of the pressure hull, the larger deflection is probably the actual implosion.
To answer another question, yes there is a “tracking beacon” on board. More than likely the implosion was violent enough that the beacon didn’t make it. Pretty sure the motherships USBL has been trying to interrogate the beacon nonstop, with no reply. Even at those depths (depending on which sonardyne model they went with) they would be able to track the vehicle within 2-3m. Since they can’t, that also tells you it’s gone.
Source: a very good friend at Woods Hole and my own experience as a former submariner that still works in marine acoustics and have a few acquaintances tangentially involved in this “recovery” effort.
Navy/Coast Guard have to do their due diligence before releasing all of this, but that’s what happened.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:39 am to Zarkinletch416
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The irony of it all. During construction, the people who built the Titanic stuck a sign on the ship "Not even God can sink this ship".
Now along comes this Rush clown and taunts fate by saying he'll break the rules and build a submersible that will take people down to visit the victims of the Titanic.
God will not be mocked.
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:40 am to TheGasMan
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Here’s the data from a seismometer off the coast of St Johns Newfoundland for Sunday.
A seismometer can detect a small sub imploding 1000 miles away? Impressive
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:41 am to Cosmo
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A seismometer can detect a small sub imploding 1000 miles away? Impressive
Easily, and more like 3-400 miles
This post was edited on 6/21/23 at 7:42 am
Posted on 6/21/23 at 7:43 am to baldona
Hypothermic, Low Oxygen, at least 2 bowel movements each on top of alot of urine.
Dehydration, pitch black, claustrophobia setting in.
Roughly 80 hours into a 96 hour oxygen supply.
I could probably imagine a worse way to go, but wouldn't want to.
Dehydration, pitch black, claustrophobia setting in.
Roughly 80 hours into a 96 hour oxygen supply.
I could probably imagine a worse way to go, but wouldn't want to.
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