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Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:28 am to Eighteen
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it’s because no boss has the guts to divide employees into “good performer who gets leeway to work from home” and “slackers who need the structure who need to be in office”. so like you said, it’s one way or the other right no
Assuming you aren’t in management, because having “guts” to do it isn’t the problem.
You try and pull this off, and in most places HR will put a stop to it with the quickness. Because I guarantee at least one of the slackers will be a self entitled waste that every time they don’t get their way it’s a crime against humanity and will run to HR over this.
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 7:29 am
Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:33 am to LegendInMyMind
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Amazon has generally gone to shite since Covid.
Compared to peak Amazon, maybe, but gone-to-shite Amazon (as you describe it) is still 100 times better than anything before Amazon existed.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:37 am to DeafJam73
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Information based jobs can be completed from anywhere. And if your employees have a better quality of life because they can work from home and maintain productivity, who gives a shite?
It is amazing that people on this board would argue against this point. The only argument against it is born out of jealousy.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:41 am to goofball
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“It’s hard to be productive with so much uncertainty injected into our lives.”
Another working day has ended
Only the rush hour hell to face
Packed like lemmings into shiny metal boxes
Contestants in a suicidal race
Posted on 2/23/23 at 7:54 am to Jon Ham
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This is simple. If 95%+ of your job requires you to use a computer or a computer is the best method of completing the work, then there is no fricking reason to drive into an office and sit around a bunch of other people on computers.
Absolutely false. You, and it seems quite a lot of people, have this idea of "If I can do my work more happy (as I define it) from home I should be entitled to do it at home".
I work from home a lot. It's not great. The separation of work and home narrows. Also, the lack of ability to collaborate really sucks. Yeah I'm sure you love Slack and IM and stuff and that's all bullsh*t. I have a brilliant colleague dying of a terminal illness right now. You think i want to slack with that dude? Maybe I can get his wife to mic him up in the hospital???
We learn by collaborating and sharing, and IM's and Slack are a weak excuse. It's like sending a baggie of reproductive fluids to your spouse and calling it "parenting" or "marriage".
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:08 am to BoogaBear
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I WFH, I manage 10 resources in India, 45 in the Philippines, 5 in the US. This is absolutely false.
Well, at least there is one person in this thread that actually works with offshore resources. Imagine a small child that can only do a single task at a time that comes back to you once they are done so you can tell them what to do next. It's a culture thing....and you're right...they have become increasingly expensive. I've seen a shift in the corporate world to bring back a lot of work onshore because of how overly non-productive they can be.
WFH is awesome and the people in this thread that are bitching about it have no idea what they are talking about. Instead of talking to Suzy about her dog and how it has cancer I can focus work. You have no idea the amount of time wasting that gets done in the office until you've been away from it for a long time and then go back. The drive by chit chat and water cooler talk is maddening.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:11 am to tigerinthebueche
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Isn’t the tech sector experiencing massive layoffs? And these folks are going to “revolt” over in-office vs. WFH?
Bold strategy, Cotten.
The tech sector is experiencing a purge of non-productive/low performing workers. Make no mistake, over-hiring like they did since covid started would always have this outcome.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:15 am to kennypowers
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at least there is one person in this thread that actually works with offshore resources
I do too. I manage a team of developers. I can get 3 developers full time, vs a US based single developer.They also will work weekends or late when necessary to either fix an issue or meet a deadline, and I never am charged extra.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:17 am to tadman
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I work from home a lot. It's not great. The separation of work and home narrows.
Then....don't? If it works for some people, why do you care? It's almost as if we should look at how people like to work and not apply blanket policies.
Some people(maybe like you) need the structure and routine...or maybe they hate their home live. Who knows...
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:20 am to fr33manator
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:21 am to kywildcatfanone
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I do too. I manage a team of developers. I can get 3 developers full time, vs a US based single developer.They also will work weekends or late when necessary to either fix an issue or meet a deadline, and I never am charged extra.
That's awesome. Sounds like you've got some really great devs working for you. I would argue(at least in my experience) that ones like that are probably 20-25% of the ones available. It's not the norm. Like everything else, painting with a broad brush probably isn't best. Fair point.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:24 am to nola tiger lsu
This post was edited on 3/20/23 at 9:22 am
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:44 am to kennypowers
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Then....don't? If it works for some people, why do you care? It's almost as if we should look at how people like to work and not apply blanket policies.
Some people(maybe like you) need the structure and routine...or maybe they hate their home live. Who knows...
Or maybe, the company who employs you decides where they want you to work, like Amazon is doing.
Just because someone "likes" to work from home doesn't mean it's the best for the company.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 8:58 am to kennypowers
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WFH is awesome and the people in this thread that are bitching about it have no idea what they are talking about. Instead of talking to Suzy about her dog and how it has cancer I can focus work. You have no idea the amount of time wasting that gets done in the office until you've been away from it for a long time and then go back. The drive by chit chat and water cooler talk is maddening.
I start a remote nursing job on Monday. One of the driving factors for me to leave bedside is to be able to focus on work and the patient without all the chatter and noise of distracting coworkers. I think I will be more efficient working on my own than with "help". I hope I enjoy it.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:00 am to Dawgfanman
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If their boss wasn’t aware or didn’t correct this, how will being in the office change it?
My thought is that it’s a lot easier to check on how productive people are when you can walk around the office and check on them. I’m sure many jobs are very conducive to remote work but it always seems like the employees love it way more than the employers do.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:01 am to goofball
It is all about time and money. If you live in a city that has horrible commute times, you are wasting 45 mins to an hour every morning and afternoon. Gas money, miles on your car, etc. 5 - 10 hours per week wasted driving to a location to work on the phone or a computer that could easily have been done from your home.
I work a hybrid arrangement, a few days in the office or on the road, and a few at home. I appreciate the flexibility from my employer because it gives me more time with my family and saves a few bucks as well.
Forcing employees back to an office when they have been productive in a WFH arrangement does not make sense.
I work a hybrid arrangement, a few days in the office or on the road, and a few at home. I appreciate the flexibility from my employer because it gives me more time with my family and saves a few bucks as well.
Forcing employees back to an office when they have been productive in a WFH arrangement does not make sense.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:04 am to goofball
The cool Silicon Valley moguls created a monster with their work forces.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:25 am to kennypowers
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Then....don't? If it works for some people, why do you care? It's almost as if we should look at how people like to work and not apply blanket policies.
Some people(maybe like you) need the structure and routine...or maybe they hate their home live. Who knows...
So are we basing it on whether people like to work from home, or whether they need the structure and routine of the office?
I think a lot of the argument for letting employees decide what’s best hinges on the idea that those same employees will actually make a decision that’s best for their productivity.
When we returned to the office (hybrid schedule) there were certainly some who were obviously less productive at home, but still resisted returning to the office. I don’t know a single employee who resisted returning to the office and admitted they were less productive at home. All of them maintained that they could do their job just as well, if not better, from home - regardless of whether it was actually true.
The ones who were willing to admit that they needed to be at the office were already coming in voluntarily before the company mandated it.
The point is that many folks will always do what’s best for them personally over what’s best for their job, if given the option.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 9:28 am to kennypowers
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The tech sector is experiencing a purge of non-productive/low performing workers.
These people are basically unemployable outside of that sector.
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