re: Thoughts on manmade climate change and whether it exists?

I think it exits but not to the extent a lot of folks claim. I also don't think that it's going to be fixed by driving teslas here when China and India are still doing whatever the frick it wants.

I have followed it since 1990 in very close detail. I have hosted a debate between well know scientists on each side. And I have read reams of scientific papers on this. Here is my view:

Man made global warming exists. Man is emitting tons of CO2, which is a greenhouse gas and is PROBABLY contributing to a warming trend, which started before, and independently of, massive CO2 emissions.

The global warming alarmists show all of the tendencies of a cult. They cannot tolerate apostasy, they have postulates that cannot be questioned, and they cancel those who disagree.

They have been provable wrong on their projections. In 1990 it was settled science that the earth would warm 3.5 degrees F to 6.5 degrees F by 2025 or 2050 at the latest. It now appears that their most conservative boundary, 3.5 F by 2050, won't even be met.

Back in the early 1990s skeptics like me said that we had over a hundred years to address this even if it was true. And that 100 years means that we should be investing in research and development of technology to deal with this, not in implementation of crude methods such as solar fields and wind turbines.

Now, because the government foolishly offered these subsidies, my partners and I have cashed in and made about $10 million dollars already off of solar development, CO2 sequestration and wind turbine maintenance. But I'm sure we've lost a great deal more through missed opportunity costs in the traditional energy economy. But who knows?

Anyway, the global warming grift is at least partially responsible for the inflation we've experienced to all of our detriment.

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China and India are still doing whatever the frick it wants.

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Commonly misunderstood point.

China and India have lower population controlled emissions . For example, China has 2X US greenhouse emissions, but 4X the US population. There's reasons for that, we're first world, support a shite load of the worlds web server infrastructure, etc. but China is basically the manufacturing hub for the world.

Now water pollution, i think they're the undisputed champions.

Seems like the military tried to manipulate the weather during Operation Popeye during the Vietnam War. I'm going to guess that technology has improved in the last 50+ years.

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1) none of the dire predictions have come true,

2) computer models have never been correct,

3) none of the proponents can tell you what the "global" temperate is supposed to be,

4) it is based upon roughly 150 years of recorded weather data (out of 6 billion+ years),

5) there are huge swaths of Africa and Asia (Russia and China) from which there is no data, requiring "interpolation" (i.e., "guessing"),

6) some reporting stations have become surrounded by urban heat islands, corrupting their results (one was located by an HVAC exhaust),

7) there has been proven data manipulation by NOAA,

8) CO2 is a trace gas,

9) CO2 is necessary for organic life on Earth.

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10) When looking back through time via ice core samples, CO2 increases have preceded temperature increases about as often has they have followed them (meaning there is more likely a correlative relationship between the two moving in tandem-ish than a causative one)

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Isn’t the primary driver of this simply lower standard of living in those nations?

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Yeah, they're developing countries still. They have a different energy strategy than a fully developed country would have and for good reason.

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Thus the push here is to lower our standard of living thru these laws/policies/etc

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I don't see pushing for energy diversification as lowering our standards. New technology has helped control the cost of energy. The same laws and policy that people hate because they don't read past the wind and solar tax credits don't read down to see the nuclear incentives in the exact same bills.

One common point is China's continued expansion of coal electrical generation. What they conveniently ignore is that they're deploying several times more wind, solar and hydro. They have an "everything goes" policy. And if anyone thinks we incentive renewables, you'd be floored if you knew how the Chinese government props up their renewable industry. It's blows our piddly tax credits out the water. They literally prop up the companies to make sure they can stay in business.

Just give more of your money to the government and they will tackle climate change .

Yes, it probably exists to some extent. No, we're not going to do anything about it.

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