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re: There aren’t enough skilled workers and guys under 40 willing to work with their hands
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:38 am to 3deadtrolls
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:38 am to 3deadtrolls
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But bruh it gets cold up there
Most outdoor work in AK is seasonal, you work hard all summer, take winters off. Slope is a different animal but you can make good money.
When I worked for Labor I had access to pretty much anyone's wages that reported into the system. Slope guys made a hell of a lot of money, but were always broke. It was weird.
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:41 am to Arthur Bach
Why work with my hands when I can work at a desk in the a/c for the same or more pay.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:43 am to Scruffy
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I made below average for that decade.
About half of people earn less than average.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:47 am to Turnblad85
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These things are quite different than a job. Encouraging some kid to go into a trade so one day he can become a business owner is silly. As I think based on your posts, you should know that being a business owner is massively different than the actual boots on the ground doing the job.
It’s not just being an owner, you can make good money in the trades as a crew leader or working for a large company doing industrial type of jobs.
The argument here is to get out of the office. If you are capable of working a college degree office job you are capable of being a foreman, manager, or business owner of a trades business.
The only other argument is leave the office to make less money? That’s absurd. That’s like saying you should pass up a promotion in the office and not go into management. Come on
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:49 am to VictoryHill
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Guys like myself with network support qualifications in addition to the former aren't going anywhere
Those positions aren't going anywhere. There's just going to be a lot more people with those qualifications in the coming years, so the worth of the qualifications will go down. By the time I'm done turning wrenches and sitting in an x chair of my own watching you tube videos the worth of someone with my knowledge will demand a higher wage than someone who knows how to set up a network, just due to supply and demand.
If you think millennials aren't going into blue collar jobs and getting tech degrees, brother lemme introduce you to gen z
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:50 am to GeauxTigers123
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If he is making 60k as a plumber he needs to move. Plumbers can easily make over 100k as an employee over time (even if they aren’t cut out to start their own company).
Maybe, maybe not.
Everyone acts like the one guy they know making bank as a tradesmen is the norm. It’s not. It may not be politically correct but there’s plenty of sub 120 IQ people out there that need a decent job. There’s nothing wrong with making $50-60k as a tradesmen. If you wife works a little and you can make $75-80k, you aren’t going to be rich but your life will still be better than 95% of the world’s population.
This social media inflated life value BS some people have is ludicrous.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:51 am to Turnblad85
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These things are quite different than a job. Encouraging some kid to go into a trade so one day he can become a business owner is silly. As I think based on your posts, you should know that being a business owner is massively different than the actual boots on the ground doing the job.
I made this exact same argument the last time this topic came up (about a week ago).
The people capable of running a successful business had the intellectual capability to go to college and become successful in many other areas. For whatever reason fate had them start in trades, but they rose above a trade-level existence because of their capability.
It's not the same thing at all as telling someone they can be a plumber and make plumbing company owner money.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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The people capable of running a successful business had the intellectual capability to go to college and become successful in many other areas. For whatever reason fate had them start in trades, but they rose above a trade-level existence because of their capability. It's not the same thing at all as telling someone they can be a plumber and make plumbing company owner money.
My argument is against the fact there is not good money in the trades. There is.
Arguing someone should go be a plumber or go be an engineer is dumb. It’s pointless.
You don’t make great money as an engineer either. You make great money as an engineer working your way up in a business. No different then being a tradesmen.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:05 am to X123F45
quote:It doesn't pay half that much, though.
The sad part is I would do it for $400 per day.
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 10:07 am
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:30 am to Arthur Bach
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Skilled labor workforce has been in decline for far too long
That's why you need immigrants in this country. They aren't taking peoples jobs because people don't want those types of jobs in the first place.
Thats why the whole "build the wall" was dumb because it will virtually kill growth and up keep in this country. People can't see the big picture though because they are blinded by their own stupidity and forgot who's backs this country was built on.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:33 am to baldona
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plenty of sub 120 IQ
The vast majority of the world is under 120.
Something to the tune of 93%...
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:41 am to X123F45
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The vast majority of the world is under 120. Something to the tune of 93%...
Certainly. I was being nice and I didn’t want to say most plumbers have a sub 100 IQ or whatever.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:41 am to baldona
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Everyone acts like the one guy they know making bank as a tradesmen is the norm.
Comes down to work ethic.
If you have a half assed work ethic, you'll get less work.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:50 am to YNWA
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They aren't taking peoples jobs because people don't want those types of jobs in the first place.
Silly logic. People don't want those jobs because of poor working conditions in relation to pay/compensation (also base welfare). Importing labor because of those reasons is false economy. If we decided that a CPA is worth 30k a year and suddenly no one wanted to became a CPA could we then import a bunch of Indians (you know the ones) who are happy with 30k? Where and when does it stop?
Posted on 1/21/23 at 11:03 am to baldona
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Arguing someone should go be a plumber or go be an engineer is dumb. It’s pointless.
It is a poor comparison.
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My argument is against the fact there is not good money in the trades. There is.
OP was wondering why younger people aren't eager to enter the trades. Majority of tradesmen aren't going to become owners/supervisors. A few will make good money. Most will be lower middle class working a hot/cold laborious dirty job. Hence fewer people wanting to enter that particular workforce.
And people are still confusing yearly income with total compensation. One of my pet peeves but I doubt this will change anytime soon.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 11:19 am to RogerTheShrubber
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When I worked for Labor I had access to pretty much anyone's wages that reported into the system. Slope guys made a hell of a lot of money, but were always broke. It was weird.
That's just O&G guys in general. GOM is the same way.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:02 pm to deltaland
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You can’t unclog a toilet on your own?
Sarcasm font wasn't on I guess.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 10:10 pm to nicholastiger
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with all recent tech layoffs your workforce is readily available
Everything I am hearing is most tech workers are finding job less than 3 months after being laid off
Posted on 1/22/23 at 9:04 am to Arthur Bach
Because they all pay like shite.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 9:37 am to Arthur Bach
States would be wise to put technical skills in their curriculum. We are facing a 25 year glut in this. We might be happy for all that illegal immigration here soon
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