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re: there are NO consequences in school anymore at all, it is a joke
Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:46 am to tigerfoot
Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:46 am to tigerfoot
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helicopter parenting is why the school are the way the are
Parents should be involved in their child's growth not abdicate responsibility to the government
which is it?
I think if you replace “helicopter” with “bulldozer”, it makes sense.
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:52 am to LSUguy2023
You are absolutely right. I can only speak for Caddo Parish, but it is an absolute joke.
All work can be made up at anytime for full credit. It doesn't matter if you were out that day unexcused, or if you just didn't want to do it. It can all be made up.
Missed 22 days and over 100 classes marked as tardy .... does not matter. No ISS, No Saturday school, No consequence. Blows my mind.
It's ridiculous, and the teachers pass the kid no matter what.
All work can be made up at anytime for full credit. It doesn't matter if you were out that day unexcused, or if you just didn't want to do it. It can all be made up.
Missed 22 days and over 100 classes marked as tardy .... does not matter. No ISS, No Saturday school, No consequence. Blows my mind.
It's ridiculous, and the teachers pass the kid no matter what.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:54 am to LSUguy2023
The consequences are that 90% of these people will end up being societal losers and a burden to those who are not.
I give 10% the benefit of the doubt and assume they will see the error of their ways and better themselves after they get out of school.
I give 10% the benefit of the doubt and assume they will see the error of their ways and better themselves after they get out of school.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:56 am to LSUguy2023
I think another issue is the kids - and parents - aren't concerned or afraid of the consequences.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 11:05 am to CSinLC
Oh it for sure falls on the parents. They are most of the cause for the entitlement that these kids think they have.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 11:08 am to blucollarskolar
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Missed 22 days and over 100 classes marked as tardy .... does not matter. No ISS, No Saturday school, No consequence. Blows my mind.
Who are we punishing and why? Putting a kid in ISS isn’t any better than them being absent. Punishing a kid because their parents can’t be bothered to get them to school on time or even at all doesn’t make any sense either.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 11:11 am to NYNolaguy1
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What's the point of turning in homework if there's no deadline that is enforceable?
Please don't take that I said as not enforcing a deadline. Educating is not just As or Fs and 100s or 0s.
You enforce the deadline and implement "penalties" for late work. If you're work is late because you were suspended you still do it, turn it in for a grade and cannot return to school until it's turned in and completed. The more time you miss, the more penalties you incur on other days.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 11:20 am to LSUfan4444
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get suspended for any reason? who cares, free vacation and you get to make up all the missed work
For the life of me I am trying to see how this is a bad thing? One of the main objectives of school is to educate. That's the first mission. Not only should they be allowed to complete all work to count towards their grade, it should be a requirement before being allowed to come back.
For one thing, it punishes the teachers more than the student. They’re the ones responsible for getting the suspended student all of the makeup work on a completely different schedule than the rest of the students. They normally fail it all, anyway, because they weren’t there for instruction.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 11:21 am to High C
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For one thing, it punishes the teachers more than the student. They’re the ones responsible for getting the suspended student all of the makeup work on a completely different schedule than the rest of the students. They normally fail it all, anyway, because they weren’t there for instruction.
They shouldn't be able to make it up at all.
This is another issue. Excused and unexcused absences are treated the same way. Previously, if it was unexcused you received a 0. Excused you had a window to make up the work. This is another part of the issue.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 11:27 am to Wayne Campbell
Passing the kid to the next grade when they weren't present enough to meet the state minimums isn't the answer either. Nor is fixing the grades at the end of the period from F's to D's so they pass they class.
It used to be when you got ISS, there was a teacher in there that made sure you did noting but your work all day.
Hand out Saturday and after school detentions. When a parent has their day disrupted they may make a better effort to make their kids do what they are supposed to.
It used to be when you got ISS, there was a teacher in there that made sure you did noting but your work all day.
Hand out Saturday and after school detentions. When a parent has their day disrupted they may make a better effort to make their kids do what they are supposed to.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 11:31 am to 03 West CoChamps
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Previously, if it was unexcused you received a 0
And that approach is antiquated, lacks an emphasis on educating and developing the student. Discipline doesnt need to be enforced at the cost of education and development. Sure, you can require a kid to complete work for a score of 0 before returning to school but why not offer an opportunity to get more than a 0?
There's alot of room for compromise, penalties, personal development, education and engagement between 0 and 70/75.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 11:36 am to blucollarskolar
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Hand out Saturday and after school detentions. When a parent has their day disrupted they may make a better effort to make their kids do what they are supposed to.
This idea was shot down with the quickness in my district. The mere suggestion of it caused an outcry from parents with a thousand excuses as to why they couldn’t get their child there for Saturday detention.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 11:39 am to LSUfan4444
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And that approach is antiquated, lacks an emphasis on educating and developing the student. Discipline doesnt need to be enforced at the cost of education and development. Sure, you can require a kid to complete work for a score of 0 before returning to school but why not offer an opportunity to get more than a 0?
There's alot of room for compromise, penalties, personal development, education and engagement between 0 and 70/75
They made a choice that caused them to receive a 0. If you don't want to get a 0 on the assignments, don't make a stupid decision. This isn't hard.
Actions have consequences. Your way is what NCLB has been doing for 20 years and destroyed our education system.
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 11:39 am to 03 West CoChamps
Wife teaches kindergarten and my youngest is also in kindergarten. Same school.
Last week a kid in my son’s class threw chairs at kids. Art teacher tried to handle it but he attacked her. Slapped her. Knocked her glasses off and stomped on them.
My son and a friend had to run to my wife’s classroom to get her to help.
Nothing frickin happened to the kid. He was back in class Monday. My wife said the mom told admin she hopes he has an over teacher next year because he can’t handle redirection. The art teacher and his actual teacher are the nicest and most patient people.
Stupid arse parents.
Last week a kid in my son’s class threw chairs at kids. Art teacher tried to handle it but he attacked her. Slapped her. Knocked her glasses off and stomped on them.
My son and a friend had to run to my wife’s classroom to get her to help.
Nothing frickin happened to the kid. He was back in class Monday. My wife said the mom told admin she hopes he has an over teacher next year because he can’t handle redirection. The art teacher and his actual teacher are the nicest and most patient people.
Stupid arse parents.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 11:39 am to blucollarskolar
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It used to be when you got ISS, there was a teacher in there that made sure you did noting but your work all day.
You're still advocating for taking a kid out of a classroom setting for missing too many days. Putting them in a room with the football coach or a minimum wage instructional aide and having them do worksheets isn't benefiting them academically.
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Passing the kid to the next grade when they weren't present enough to meet the state minimums isn't the answer either. Nor is fixing the grades at the end of the period from F's to D's so they pass they class.
It's not the ideal, but the reality is retention almost never benefits the student either.
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Hand out Saturday and after school detentions. When a parent has their day disrupted they may make a better effort to make their kids do what they are supposed to.
Ha! If you're dealing with a parent who can't be bothered to get their kid to school during the week, you really think they're going to inconvenience themselves to get them there on a Saturday?
Values and ethics begin at home. My larger point is that discipline for anything outside of behavior issues will generally be net 0 or worse. If you don't have parental backing, a school or teacher will have little to no impact on a student who lacks self motivation.
And when dealing with kids at a minimum to the point when they are capable of getting themselves to and from school on their own (which will vary widely by circumstance), it's important to keep in mind what consequences are being implemented and for what reasons.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 11:40 am to LSUguy2023
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get caught cheating on a test? who cares, you get to make up the test at a later date
get suspended for any reason? who cares, free vacation and you get to make up all the missed work
absent for 10/15/20 days? who cares, get to make up all the missed days by sitting in a classroom after school playing on your phone or laptop
not ready for a test? who cares, just have a parent email admin and bitch and complain and admin will make the teacher let the snowflake take the test a day or two later
stop sending your kid to a government school then acting all surprised when the school acts like the government. its laughable.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 11:42 am to LSUguy2023
ITS A CLOWN WORLD
We must escape the matrix!
We must escape the matrix!
Posted on 5/8/25 at 11:42 am to Snipe
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There's NO God in schools anymore either.
It's not a conscience.
Then get a stronger, more powerful god.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 11:43 am to LSUguy2023
Depends on the school bro. But I will agree that a good disciplinary process in a public school is the exception not the rule.
I’ve been lucky.
I’ve been lucky.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 11:44 am to Wayne Campbell
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You're still advocating for taking a kid out of a classroom setting for missing too many days. Putting them in a room with the football coach or a minimum wage instructional aide and having them do worksheets isn't benefiting them academically.
At what point do we consider the education of the other students in the classroom this student was disrupting? No one talks about those kids education.
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