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re: The workforce shortage is real and ridiculous
Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:05 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:05 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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People receiving welfare aren't automatically welfare queens.
Most recipients are only getting food stamps values at like $150/month
Enough with the sidebar, address the point:
Are you denying that generational poverty in minority communities is *at least* exacerbated by the ubiquity of welfare programs?
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Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:05 am to Salmon
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But they know that they can get away with paying their employees less because the government will subsidize their pay and they won't lose employees to "higher" paying jobs.
This isn't a secret. They have literally admitted to this.
Not according to spleen.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:06 am to JiminyCricket
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Why would they have to do that on purpose? Wouldn't it make sense that low skilled employees are payed accordingly?
You would be called a crazy conspiracy theorist if this were a right wing narrative. He is wish-casting that those jobs paying those wages are actually worth more wages than what the employer and the employee agreed upon at an arms length transaction.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:07 am to JiminyCricket
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The only difference I have is that I don't resent the poor as much as I resent policies and psychology used by politicians that keep many poor people poor.
I think most right leaning people feel the same way. Similar to the boarder crisis...I don't blame South Americans for wanting to come here illegally, I blame our government for making it attractive/possible.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:08 am to Salmon
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But they know that they can get away with paying their employees less
But here is the issue, why is it considered getting away with something to pay a person the value of what their work is worth? We can discuss the other parts as well, but generally speaking if you're more skilled that means you have options. When you have options, you can negotiate from a position of power. When you can negotiate from a position of power, it's harder for a company to hose you because you have aforementioned options with other companies in other places. Therefore the worker can ask for higher compensation. We should push excelling and development of skills so that people have more options available to them. This is the crux of the issue.
Some people believe that companies should pay employees more whether their work dictates that or not. I believe in equipping people with in-demand skills so that they can select the company they choose to work for, rather than having to take whatever is available because they have no other options.
This post was edited on 6/17/21 at 10:13 am
Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:13 am to JiminyCricket
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But here is the issue, why is it considered getting away with something to pay a person the value of what their work is worth?
I don't think they are "getting away" with anything other than abusing the government welfare system and low level people
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but generally speaking if you're more skilled that means you have options. When you have options, you can negotiate from a position of power.
these are not skilled people, and more often than not, they don't have any ambition other than "getting by"
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Some people believe that companies should pay employees more whether their work dictates that or not.
do you believe corporations that survive off low level jobs would pay their employees more if the government no longer subsidized their pay?
This post was edited on 6/17/21 at 10:15 am
Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:16 am to Salmon
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do you believe corporations that survive off low level jobs would pay their employees more if the government no longer subsidized their pay?
I believe they will pay prevailing market rates.
It's difficult to know what that looks like in the absence of government assistance, but I say there's at least a chance that rates would go *down* if there was no safety net to fall back on.
Making low wages sucks, but you know what sucks more? Making *no* wages.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:17 am to Salmon
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has literally nothing to do with anything being discussed the point is that corporations have kept pay purposely low for low skilled employees because they know that the government will support their employees with welfare this is how corporations get welfare without actually receiving it themselves, they receive it by not having to pay their employees nothing Spleen said was wrong
So let’s eliminate welfare, reduce the business owner taxes that pay for it so that people will have money to pay people more, and watch wages rise. While the cost of goods stay the same.
This post was edited on 6/17/21 at 10:18 am
Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:19 am to Oilfieldbiology
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So let’s eliminate welfare, reduce the business owner taxes that pay for it so that people will have money to pay people more, and watch wages rise. While the cost of goods stay the same.
I'm all for it
Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:20 am to Salmon
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I don't think they are "getting away" with anything other than abusing the government welfare system and low level people
I was quoting your post stating that they indeed are getting away with something. I do agree however that the government welfare system is broken and a net negative on society as currently constructed.
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these are not skilled people, and more often than not, they don't have any ambition other than "getting by"
Maybe their lack of ambition is the major cause of their current situation and they should decide they want better before making other people fix their lives for them.
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do you believe corporations that survive off low level jobs would pay their employees more if the government no longer subsidized their pay?
I think that businesses adapt and would figure it out just like they always have in this country and others. I believe more skilled people with ambition in a workforce is a net positive for an economy.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:22 am to JiminyCricket
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Maybe their lack of ambition is the major cause of their current situation
no maybe, it is the major cause
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I think that businesses adapt and would figure it out just like they always have in this country and others.
that's a non answer
Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:22 am to JiminyCricket
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But here is the issue, why is it considered getting away with something to pay a person the value of what their work is worth?
This question displays an ignorance of this country's history with wage fixing and worker exploitation, particularly exploitation of immigrant and migrant workers. On the latter, there's a reason the US Chamber Of Commerce is generally supporting of more lax immigration policies.
And it's not only this country's history. It's happened in numerous other countries throughout civilization's history.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:25 am to Salmon
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that's a non answer
I think companies would pay whatever the market value that an unskilled worker is worth.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:27 am to JiminyCricket
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I think companies would pay whatever the market value that an unskilled worker is worth.
It really isn't that difficult. The company will and should pay the absolute lowest amount someone is willing to accept.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:28 am to JiminyCricket
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I think companies would pay whatever the market value that an unskilled worker is worth.
:sigh:
another non answer
do you think that market would go up or down if they government did not subsidize the market?
Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:28 am to CptRusty
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Are you denying that generational poverty in minority communities is *at least* exacerbated by the ubiquity of welfare programs?
Of course not
Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:29 am to The Spleen
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This question displays an ignorance of this country's history with wage fixing and worker exploitation,
I hardly think the days of 20 hour workdays in uninspected sweatshops or unregulated construction sites of the early 20th century is the same thing as Wally world not paying 20 bucks an hour to someone who can't spell the job they're applying for on the application.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:37 am to JiminyCricket
quote:It doesn't matter if you discussed it, if you pay someone a wage below the poverty line, then your business is getting subsidized by tax payers.
I hire people all the time and we have discussed "let's give them less money since they'll likely be on welfare anyway" a grand total of zero times.
Now, there needs to be a discussion about what constitutes poverty, at what wage should a person qualify for welfare programs, etc... But the truth is, if you have an employee that qualifies for those programs, you are being subsidized by tax payers.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:41 am to JiminyCricket
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I hardly think the days of 20 hour workdays in uninspected sweatshops or unregulated construction sites of the early 20th century is the same thing as Wally world not paying 20 bucks an hour to someone who can't spell the job they're applying for on the application.
My point had nothing to do with working conditions. Businesses are generally going to pay people as little as they can get away with doing, and they'll justify it as paying people what they deem they're worth.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:42 am to The Spleen
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hey'll justify it as paying people what they deem they're worth.
to be clear, the "they" in this statement is both the business and the employee.
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