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re: The Top 10 Greatest Generals of All-Time (according to Moneyball math)
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:06 pm to cave canem
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:06 pm to cave canem
And what about admirals? I feel like we need another list.
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:07 pm to UnitedFruitCompany
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And what about admirals? I feel like we need another list.
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Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:23 pm to RollTide1987
No Chesty Puller no care.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:25 pm to UnitedFruitCompany
Halsey acted stupidly.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:31 pm to TROLA
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he wasn’t a tactical genius
He was a strategic genius.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:31 pm to RollTide1987
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10. Alexander the Great, Macedonia
If he’s not top 3, list is shite.
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:33 pm to RollTide1987
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05. Khalid Ibn Al-Walid, Rashidun Caliphate
It's claimed he never lost a battle. Fairly dubious, but still, he was one of the major reasons for the expansion of the Rashidun Caliphate, along with a general war-weariness in the West Asian corridor.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:35 pm to biglego
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If he’s not top 3, list is shite.
The number of battles fought in command of an army is heavily weighted in the methodology. Alexander the Great may have been undefeated on the battlefield, but he only fought nine battles over the course of his brief career.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:50 pm to RollTide1987
Ah. It’s still crazy by any metric to rank Grant higher than Alexander lol
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:52 pm to Henry Jones Jr
quote:sure, once you get past the unions vast industrial and manpower superiority
. Stonewall Jackson and his strategies are still being studied at West Point. His death was probably the biggest reason the Union won the war.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:54 pm to BuckyCheese
quote:any true american should
Always been a fan of Sherman.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:56 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Not even the greatest general in the Civil War. Stonewall Jackson and his strategies are still being studied at West Point. His death was probably the biggest reason the Union won the war.
Seeing as I studied many of those “strategies” as part of my officer education, that’s bullshite. Jackson was a fine tactician and nothing more. Grant was his and Lee’s strategic superior in every fiber of his being. He was probably the best strategist the US has ever had.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:56 pm to djmicrobe
Sherman was the first to grasp the concept that you win wars not by defeating the enemy in the field, but by destroying his ability to fight. It was a paradigm shift.
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:58 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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Seeing as I studied many of those “strategies” as part of my officer education, that’s bullshite. Jackson was a fine tactician and nothing more. Grant was his and Lee’s strategic superior in every fiber of his being. He was probably the best strategist the US has ever had.
Posted on 2/16/19 at 12:06 am to WestCoastAg
Laymen confuse strategic genius with tactical genius. The truly great generals are strategists, first and foremost. It’s why you see nimrods putting Patton on lists like this.
And even besides all that, what Grant did in the West was every bit as tactically difficult as anything Jackson or Lee did, especially since he was on the offensive the entire way through. He started getting ground down in the last eighteen months of the war when both sides had learned their lessons from Crimea a decade before and started digging in and attriting each other, yet he never truly stalled even in a modern war and kept the initiative the whole way through. Switch Lee and Grant places, and Grant would’ve had the relatively better strategic outcome. And more than a few Civil War generals on both sides would agree with me on that.
And even besides all that, what Grant did in the West was every bit as tactically difficult as anything Jackson or Lee did, especially since he was on the offensive the entire way through. He started getting ground down in the last eighteen months of the war when both sides had learned their lessons from Crimea a decade before and started digging in and attriting each other, yet he never truly stalled even in a modern war and kept the initiative the whole way through. Switch Lee and Grant places, and Grant would’ve had the relatively better strategic outcome. And more than a few Civil War generals on both sides would agree with me on that.
This post was edited on 2/16/19 at 12:09 am
Posted on 2/16/19 at 12:14 am to WestCoastAg
As far as Civil War Generals go, I'm a big fan of John Croxton and his work in Tuscaloosa
Posted on 2/16/19 at 1:02 am to RollTide1987
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The Top 10 Greatest Generals of All-Time
I've always been a big fan of Dollar...
Posted on 2/16/19 at 1:02 am to Cosmo
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Grant was not a good general
He was a drunk
But he was a drunk who recognized he had a massive logistical advantage and pounded a far inferior opponent into submission
This is the conventional wisdom of someone who has a dime store knowledge of the Civil War. Grant was a master of maneuver. His campaigns out west he won position after position with barely fighting any pitched battles. His Vicksburg campaign alone is brilliant. The "Grant is drunk" BS was the fake news of its day spread by his rivals.
As much as I wish we would have won the war, you have to give credit where credit is due: Grant was a superb general.
Posted on 2/16/19 at 1:03 am to RollTide1987
Yes I’m triggered.
Stonewall, Lee > Grant, Sherman
Jeff Davis > Lincoln
CSA > USA
Stonewall, Lee > Grant, Sherman
Jeff Davis > Lincoln
CSA > USA
Posted on 2/16/19 at 1:09 am to WestCoastAg
You’re such a bitch in every thread where the Civil War is mentioned
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