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re: The real fundamental underlying issue in our country is Education
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:26 am to Chad504boy
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:26 am to Chad504boy
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Yes parents now don't give a shite bout their kids education,... but what's caused that?
The fact that the government gives them the option of making a living off of entitlements without working. Their parents never had to hold down a career. They may have never worked a job in their life. They don't work, and thus never needed an education to get work. Therefor, they don't value education because it produced no value for them. Jeez, how dense are you?
If they didn't have the option of not working, they would work. If they had to work, they would value education so they could get better jobs. Since they'd see the value of education (even if they themselves didn't when they were younger), they would pass that value on to their kids.
This isn't rocket science. They have the option not to work, so they don't. Because they don't need to work, they don't need an education.
This post was edited on 7/14/16 at 10:27 am
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Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:29 am to kingbob
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The fact that the government gives them the option of making a living off of entitlements without working. Their parents never had to hold down a career. They may have never worked a job in their life. They don't work, and thus never needed an education to get work. Therefor, they don't value education because it produced no value for them. Jeez, how dense are you?
they gave up education long before they received government checks. how frick stupid are you?
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:31 am to Chad504boy
quote:It's parenting, too.
The real fundamental underlying issue in our country is Education
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:31 am to Chad504boy
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they gave up education long before they received government checks. how frick stupid are you?
False. They spent the 50s pushing for better education. A massive, growing professional class had been created by 1964. Then, the checks started flowing. Since then, a greater percentage of blacks are in poverty. A greater percentage never graduate high school.
Also, many blacks worked in factories in the 60s. When factories began shutting down en-masse in the 70s, many got on entitlements to get by. Rather than move to find new work, they stayed right where they were and never went back to work. Their kids learned to do the same.
You're f&%king stupid.
This post was edited on 7/14/16 at 11:10 am
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:31 am to kingbob
Education is an opportunity everyone has.
But it is an opportunity someone must work to obtain.
Education is not like a flu shot where you don't have to do anything other than sit there to benefit.
But it is an opportunity someone must work to obtain.
Education is not like a flu shot where you don't have to do anything other than sit there to benefit.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:32 am to The Sad Banana
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It's parenting, too.
i agree. and bad parenting often derives in part from lack of education and cultural failures. its a chicken an egg situation but somehow the future needs to get on a better track than what our past has been on.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:33 am to Chad504boy
quote:Yes, well said.
i agree. and bad parenting often derives in part from lack of education and cultural failures. its a chicken an egg situation but somehow the future needs to get on a better track than what our past has been on.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:34 am to bird35
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Education is an opportunity everyone has. But it is an opportunity someone must work to obtain. Education is not like a flu shot where you don't have to do anything other than sit there to benefit.
Exactly. We can lead a horse to water, but we cannot make it drink. We can make attendance mandatory, but we cannot force children to learn. The choice is up to them. We have tried "social promotion" to pass children who repeatedly fail. It doesn't work. If someone doesn't value education and does not want to learn, STOP TEACHING THEM! Let them leave on their own volition. If they decide, later, that they want the knowledge, make sure that there are programs they can come back to and get their GED. However, don't force the kids who want to learn to share space with the ones who do not.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:35 am to kingbob
all the kids today weren't receiving check in the 60's.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:36 am to Chad504boy
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its a chicken an egg situation but somehow the future needs to get on a better track than what our past has been on.
Exactly.
People shouting entitlements and current cultural issues are offering zero solutions to the issue with education. It's just political grandstanding that galvanizes each side.
There's research out there that offers solutions to the problems facing inner cities and the rural poor. The biggest wall is the federally funded, business-minded form of education that banks information into students' heads and then asks them to apply it to a standardized test. Those assessments are often extremely limited and narrow and offer nothing to the communities that need the most help.
But let's shout about those lazy shits wanting to have a roof over their head and food to eat. That'll fix it.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:39 am to Chad504boy
Nope. It starts at home.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:39 am to Chad504boy
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all the kids today weren't receiving check in the 60's.
True, but their parents' have been. Their parents' parents' were. You can go into New Orleans and find people who are 3 generations removed from anyone ever having a real job. Entitlement is a cancer because it ignores human nature. It fosters and rewards irresponsible behaviors which lead to negative consequences.
Imagine you have two children. One who is normal, and the other whose hand is numb and cannot feel pain. You try to teach them not to touch the stove because the stove is hot and can burn them. The normal kid touches the stove, gets burnt, and then jumps back because it hurts. He learns never to touch the stove.
The other child touches the stove but doesn't move his hand away. He doesn't feel his hand being damaged, so he doesn't react. The damage still occurs, but he keeps touching the stove. That is how our entitlement system works.
It insulates people from feeling the pain of their poor decisions, but the damage is still occurring.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:40 am to CoolHand
Well, CoolHand, the Cool people agree. Morality not being taught in the home or school. Generally speaking, as a society, we don't respect ourselves enough to respect life.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:42 am to kingbob
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True, but their parents' have been. Their parents' parents' were. You can go into New Orleans and find people who are 3 generations removed from anyone ever having a real job. Entitlement is a cancer because it ignores human nature. It fosters and rewards irresponsible behaviors which lead to negative consequences.
and everyone of them gave up on education before they got their first check. this isn't difficult, i'll school your arse all day.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:42 am to hendersonshands
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Schools need to be funded better. However, no one is willing to pay for it.
Inner city schools are funded better than any other schools in the city in BR. They perform the worst. Why?
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The most extreme way we'd be able to afford to fix a lot of these schools is to get rid of private schools and force well off people to put money into public schools.
Teachers are much lower paid in private schools. Yet perform much better. Why? Why in the world would you want to punish children and parents in private school, when it's been proven that throwing more money at the problem of education does not work?
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That's not happening so if people are serious about fixing schools, don't vote down taxes to better fund them.
Folks, throwing money at a problem does not fix it. Especially involving the government. Never has, never will. But I know it seems like a simple answer and makes everyone feel good.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:43 am to OysterPoBoy
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Everyone has access to education. Most just don't give a shite. I don't know how you change that.
Exactly, one groups main issue is that they are made fun of if they excel in school, and speak clearly like a normal person. Its celebrated when you quit school, act like an animal and get involved in a life of crime.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:43 am to StringedInstruments
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But let's shout about those lazy shits wanting to have a roof over their head and food to eat. That'll fix it.
I don't blame the end user. They are doing what is best for them. I blame the government for allowing them to abuse it to the point that it is abused. We don't have to get rid of all entitlements, just reform them to make them more in line with their intended purpose, as a safety net that catches people and then allows them to get out of it and back on their feet rather than trap them in dependency and poverty.
We don't need to toss out education, but we need to severely re-evaluate what we're teaching and how we're assessing it. Teaching to the test is not learning, but we still need some testing. We are trying to teach analysis of fictional works to children who cannot read. Calculus to children who do not comprehend basic math. We are graduating cohorts of children who go to school for 13 years and graduate knowing almost zero relevant skills that can help them life outside of hopefully basic math, reading, and writing.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:44 am to hendersonshands
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Schools need to be funded better. However, no one is willing to pay for it.
Even if they wanted to, would it be enough for the worst schools? From what I read (WARNING: read it somewhere on the internet), one source said roughly half of a particular public school's funding come from local tax dollars. In poor areas, I imagine that really fricks things up.
If any of that is not true, please tell me.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:45 am to Chad504boy
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and everyone of them gave up on education before they got their first check. this isn't difficult, i'll school your arse all day.
Well yeah, because they couldn't get their check until they were 18
However, the fact that they knew the check was coming gave them the option of giving up on education.
Those in the 1960s may not have known that, but their kids sure did find out. Our "ghetto" culture did not really come about until the mid 1970's. It didn't explode in violence until the mid 1980's.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:46 am to SabiDojo
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If any of that is not true, please tell me.
It depends on where you are. Poor areas are typically heavily subsidized by the federal government. In Louisiana, most funding actually comes from the state level rather than local.
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