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re: The real fundamental underlying issue in our country is Education
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:46 am to Chad504boy
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:46 am to Chad504boy
IMO behavior and how we handle behavior in schools is a large issue. Having worked in a PLA (persistently low achieving) school in the past, there were kids living in poverty there who legitimately wanted to learn. But when you have kids that are allowed to consistently disrupt classes, then no one is learning in that kind of environment. And it's typically the same kids with repeated disruptive behavior.
In a perfect world, after so many behavioral disruptions we'd hand those kid's parents a username and password to eSchool and tell them to figure it out on their own if they can't keep their shite straight.
In a perfect world, after so many behavioral disruptions we'd hand those kid's parents a username and password to eSchool and tell them to figure it out on their own if they can't keep their shite straight.
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Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:48 am to kingbob
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It depends on where you are. Poor areas are typically heavily subsidized by the federal government. In Louisiana, most funding actually comes from the state level rather than local.
Ah, thank you. Figured it wasn't so cut and dry.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:55 am to Chad504boy
Nope.
The fundamental issue is absent or shitty parents that don't teach personal responsibility.
The fundamental issue is absent or shitty parents that don't teach personal responsibility.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:55 am to TigerBait1971
holy frick mate read a page first.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:56 am to Chad504boy
No thanks.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:56 am to Chad504boy
Tell the state to quit taking money away from Education and put more into it, raise the standards for teaching, raise the pay to entice people to go into teaching, and get families involved.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:57 am to Chad504boy
If you don't have a job but have kids there is no reason, outside of illness, those kids shouldn't do well in school.
I found a reason parents that are selfish and only care about their entertainment.
I found a reason parents that are selfish and only care about their entertainment.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 10:58 am to tduecen
It seems education is always getting cut.
I remember when Mississippi said the casinos would improve education. It seems it really just replaced the original fund.
I remember when Mississippi said the casinos would improve education. It seems it really just replaced the original fund.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 11:05 am to TigerBait1971
The parents don't teach personal responsibility because thanks to entitlements, they don't have to excercise any. Kids learn from their shitty parents, who have the option to be shitty.
We need to quit giving parents the choice to be shitty on the government dime.
We need to quit giving parents the choice to be shitty on the government dime.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 11:07 am to SabiDojo
It worked the same way in Louisiana. However, as locals have cut, the feds have stepped in. In many cases, there's actually more money now than ever before, but the sources have all changed, and those sources often have tight strings attached.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 11:07 am to hendersonshands
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force well off people to put money into public schools
They already do via taxes
Posted on 7/14/16 at 11:10 am to Chad504boy
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educational failures
It isn't an educational failure. It is a desired outcome. We went from a performance based education system that was sufficient for us to win 2 World Wars, harness the atom (for productive and destructive purposes), break the sound barrier and land on the moon, to an outcome based education that indoctrinates, attempts to politically homogenize and de-emphasizes critical thinking.
Why? Because folks with absent or impaired critical thinking skills are easier to steer, herd, manipulate and control.
At the end of the day, the goal of this entire transformed "progressive" society is one of control.
Control of income.
Control of means of production.
Control of speech.
Control of thought.
Control of action.
Control of traffic.
Control of guns.
Control of drugs/intoxicants.
Control of health care.
Control of food.
Control of media.
And so forth. And this voracious appetite for control is not to satisfy our needs, but those of the powers-that-be.
Keep that in mind at all times.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 11:10 am to OysterPoBoy
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Everyone has access to education
Everyone does not have the same access to the same quality of education.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 11:13 am to Chad504boy
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our hope, the systematic injustice that the kids in poverty struggle to crawl out of.
so it's education, AND these things too?
I saw systematic injustice and ya lost me. Sorry bruh.
MAGA
Posted on 7/14/16 at 11:14 am to ULSU
While this is true, the way we assess the quality of the education is largely a product of those recieving it. Rather than performance being indicative of the quality of the education, the quality of the education is typically surmized based on the performance. The performance is often linked to the makeup of the schools, the most determinative factor, more than race, IQ, income, ect, being the percentage of two parent homes.
Our metrics are often very flawed, yet they are determinative of so much, especially funding.
We need so much reform in education AND entitlements AND drug laws AND taxation. We have so much work to do.
Our metrics are often very flawed, yet they are determinative of so much, especially funding.
We need so much reform in education AND entitlements AND drug laws AND taxation. We have so much work to do.
This post was edited on 7/14/16 at 11:18 am
Posted on 7/14/16 at 11:19 am to terriblegreen
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Nope. It starts at home.
This is true. Educational shortcomings are a byproduct of an unstable and/or unsupportive living environment. But that really extends beyond your residence. It is your neighborhood and your friends.
You could take the best most supportive parents in the world, but if their kid's friends all come from a shitty environment that doesn't emphasize education, there is still a good chance that kid is going to struggle.
Kids follow the herd. They want to blend in with the majority. And in poor areas in this country, especially densely populated urban areas (where the lure of the herd is strongest, b/c it is always around you), the herd says school is lame. We are past the tipping point there. Until we get a majority of kids giving a shite, we are swimming upstream. And to do that, we need a stable supportive living environment to become the norm. That is a daunting task.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 11:24 am to ULSU
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Everyone does not have the same access to the same quality of education.
What is being used to measure the quality of education, the test scores, and graduation rates, reading level? Those are all dependent on the student's willingness to participate in the educational process.
Posted on 7/14/16 at 11:37 am to Speedy G
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Nope. It starts at home.
I agree immensely.
I volunteer for a program called "Every1Reads". Once a week I spend an hour with a 2nd grade boy, and help him to increase his reading ability and comprehension skills. It's at a piece of shite - Podunk county school.
My mom does the same thing at the largest and richest catholic school in Louisville.
The common thread - per the sad message coming from the kids is that no one is there to help them. Some have both parents and siblings that are older. Some have just a Mom at home, or a single parent with older siblings. Still, there's no one that will give the time to them at their respective homes to make sure they can read at their basic level. They leave it ALL up to the teacher - and that's fricking bullshite!
Posted on 7/14/16 at 11:49 am to SabiDojo
Casinos and the lottery were both supposed to help education in Louisiana, I don't think that has happened. Only allowed politicians to get rich
Posted on 7/14/16 at 11:59 am to Chad504boy
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The real fundamental underlying issue in our country is Education
Nope. Many poorly educated people lead productive, ethical, and happy lives.
The problem is cultural/sociological.
An educated Hitler is still evil. An ignorant Mother Theresa is still good.
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