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The Protocol for “Allowing a Student to Fail”
Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 9/14/18 at 2:59 pm
I just back into teaching K12 and am appalled but really not surprised at what it takes for a student to fail.
If a student has an F, the only way they can have that F on their report card is if...
1) I’ve contacted the parent as soon as their grade drops below a 60.
2) Their low grade is not due to not turning in work. If they aren’t completing or turning in classwork or not showing up for tests, it should be referred to as a disciplinary issue and not counted against their grade until the discipline issue has been resolved.
3) Tier I and Tier II intervention strategies have been identified and attempted and unsuccessful. Referral to PST team is required at this point (note - lots of paperwork including three pieces of evidence that student is not understanding material). PST team will determine if it’s a special ed potential or if additional remediation is needed.
4) Paperwork has been completed that details attempts to remediate student and reasoning for why student has not earned a passing grade. Detailed notes of parent contact should be included.
5) Student has not been given the chance to make up any and all work leading to low grade as determined by administration.
Why don’t they just set the rule that no student can fail? Seems like it’s become an impossible hurdle to actually give a student an F for any reason. I don’t mind the concern for a student’s well-being, but it seems like the concept of “failure” is gone from school.
If a student has an F, the only way they can have that F on their report card is if...
1) I’ve contacted the parent as soon as their grade drops below a 60.
2) Their low grade is not due to not turning in work. If they aren’t completing or turning in classwork or not showing up for tests, it should be referred to as a disciplinary issue and not counted against their grade until the discipline issue has been resolved.
3) Tier I and Tier II intervention strategies have been identified and attempted and unsuccessful. Referral to PST team is required at this point (note - lots of paperwork including three pieces of evidence that student is not understanding material). PST team will determine if it’s a special ed potential or if additional remediation is needed.
4) Paperwork has been completed that details attempts to remediate student and reasoning for why student has not earned a passing grade. Detailed notes of parent contact should be included.
5) Student has not been given the chance to make up any and all work leading to low grade as determined by administration.
Why don’t they just set the rule that no student can fail? Seems like it’s become an impossible hurdle to actually give a student an F for any reason. I don’t mind the concern for a student’s well-being, but it seems like the concept of “failure” is gone from school.
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Posted on 9/14/18 at 3:02 pm to StringedInstruments
Where were these rules when I got kicked out of LSU?
Posted on 9/14/18 at 3:03 pm to StringedInstruments
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not counted against their grade until the discipline issue has been resolved.
So it's best to keep "acting up" then. Makes sense.
This post was edited on 9/14/18 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 9/14/18 at 3:04 pm to StringedInstruments
This is the same steps we have to take to get someone disciplined in the National Guard.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 3:06 pm to Ripley
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Makes sense.
Something else grinding my gears is the use of the word “allowing.”
What it takes for me, the teacher, to allow a kid to fail.... Like it’s some sort of permission?
I don’t know. It’s a weird term.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 3:09 pm to StringedInstruments
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Allowing a Student to Fail
Are we talking, "holding your kid back a grade"so that he can be bigger, stronger, faster in sports??
Posted on 9/14/18 at 3:09 pm to StringedInstruments
Because little Johnny can't just be dumb, it's got to be somebody else's fault.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 3:10 pm to StringedInstruments
At my wife's elementary school, the parents have the final say as to whether they want their child held back so her school can't fail anybody
Posted on 9/14/18 at 3:11 pm to StringedInstruments
This is why we need a better vocational system. A certain percentage of students shouldn’t be in normal school, that’s basically who fail anyway. To a degree you want people to pass and get out of your system. What good does a 12 year old 1st grader do anyone?
Eta: it shouldn’t really be failing, it should be more like Europe where it’s if you don’t get good enough grades for standard school you go elsewhere. More politically correct term too.
Eta: it shouldn’t really be failing, it should be more like Europe where it’s if you don’t get good enough grades for standard school you go elsewhere. More politically correct term too.
This post was edited on 9/14/18 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 9/14/18 at 3:11 pm to StringedInstruments
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Why don’t they just set the rule that no student can fail?
Pretty much what they do at my wife’s school. She is an ESL tutor, so she isn’t the one handing out grades, but the teachers are basically told to change the grades by the principal. Too much paperwork associated with low grades. When hearing how things work at some of these schools (some which are considered very good schools), I just completely gave up on our education system.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 3:12 pm to StringedInstruments
My fiance taught 8th grade math and fought similar policies. If a student didn't turn in a piece of homework it was an automatic 50, and they had an extra week to turn it in late.
Spoiler alert, nobody did there homework.
Spoiler alert, nobody did there homework.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 3:13 pm to StringedInstruments
My mom teaches at a public school and with all the stuff i hve talked to her about, it is unreal how easy school is now days.
She pretty much folks me that with the work i did when i was back in school, i would easily have a 4.0 and i wouldn’t even have to work that hard to achieve that.
She said that on reviews for test, she basically gives them the test and answers and somehow, students still make below a C.
She pretty much folks me that with the work i did when i was back in school, i would easily have a 4.0 and i wouldn’t even have to work that hard to achieve that.
She said that on reviews for test, she basically gives them the test and answers and somehow, students still make below a C.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 3:16 pm to StringedInstruments
What is K12?
If that is 12th grade, by that point in their life, the ones who care will put in the work, the ones that don't.. At best, at some point in their life they will figure it out on their own.
Pass them all. Keep everyone happy, less work for you.
If that is 12th grade, by that point in their life, the ones who care will put in the work, the ones that don't.. At best, at some point in their life they will figure it out on their own.
Pass them all. Keep everyone happy, less work for you.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 3:17 pm to Fat and Happy
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it is unreal how easy school is now days.
At my school, we’re required to update a Google Calendar, Google Classroom page for each class, and use the Remind app every day.
That’s three pieces of technology that I have to use to tell parents what we did in class and what’s going on tomorrow in class.
When I was in school, I had to keep up with a planner and bring home what I needed for homework or to study, and if I didn’t, I was shite out of luck. And all kinds of people would kick my arse if I didn’t - parents, teachers, coaches.
Now if a kid doesn’t come prepared for school or misses a deadline, the first question is about me updating Google Classroom or sending them a text message at 7pm reminding Little Johnny to be ready for the quiz.
This post was edited on 9/14/18 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 9/14/18 at 3:18 pm to OweO
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What is K12?
Shorthand for Kindergarten to 12th grade. Pretty much all of grade school and usually referring to public school.
This post was edited on 9/14/18 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 9/14/18 at 3:20 pm to StringedInstruments
Pretty sure I got several F's in a public high school. Damn millennials
Posted on 9/14/18 at 3:33 pm to StringedInstruments
It's a what have you as the teacher done wrong mentally these days...little Johnny curses you out? What did you do to piss him off? Little Johnny gets caught with a cig in your class? Why didn't you counsel the students about the dangers of smoking, and are you sure you had little Johnny sign off on the school wide drug policy? Little Johnny is failing your class? Time for some teacher intervention strategies, we need to look at your lesson plans, are you addressing all of the grade level standards? Why don't you try flexible seating?? Maybe let the class work in groups the entire time...no way little Johnny gets an F unless you give it to him wink wink
Posted on 9/14/18 at 3:37 pm to Fat and Happy
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i would easily have a 4.0 and i wouldn’t even have to work that hard to achieve that.
But you'd still fail capitalization.
Posted on 9/14/18 at 3:38 pm to StringedInstruments
I realize that, but I was just confused on context.
You have taught every grade k-12?
You have taught every grade k-12?
Posted on 9/14/18 at 3:39 pm to CoachMoorGut
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Spoiler alert, nobody did there homework.
Were you in the class too?
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