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re: The IRS is coming for your Venmo income

Posted on 6/8/22 at 4:47 pm to
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 4:47 pm to
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It's already been taxed, often twice. I buy an item that was taxed for both parties. Then I resell it for less money and it's taxed both ways again


Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 4:48 pm to
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It's already been taxed, often twice. I buy an item that was taxed for both parties. Then I resell it for less money and it's taxed both ways again. There should be no reason for me to have to fill out documentation for it when it's barely over $600 dollars. It's just silly. I wish they limit would have stayed at 20k. It's easy to meet that $600 limit now. I use to sell online probably 1-2k worth of stuff a year. Very minor. Not as a business. Just used items I no longer wanted. Now I don't do any selling online, because of this.

that's why i said "if it's actually income"

what you are describing is almost certainly not income
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 5:06 pm to
We're the party of the common man! (We're going to tax the shite out of your Venmo transactions)

-Dems
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
25455 posts
Posted on 6/8/22 at 5:08 pm to
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We're the party of the common man! (We're going to tax the shite out of your Venmo transactions)

-Dems


You're an idiot
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
33932 posts
Posted on 6/8/22 at 5:17 pm to
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Oh no! Income tax!


You accept Venmo as payment for services rendered or products sold? That seems kinda dumb.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 5:20 pm to
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It's already been taxed, often twice.


"Money" is taxed constantly, the argument it has already been taxed is specious. The point a sale is made is a taxable event. If there is no profit there is no tax owed.

To Mingo or other tax professionals has the IRS provided a more streamlined way to report these small transactions vs doing a Schedule C? I have had a hobby hustle for years but it deals with 6 figures of reporting most years and I run it and file it just like a small business with a Schedule C et al.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 5:24 pm to
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We're the party of the common man! (We're going to tax the shite out of your Venmo transactions)


I pay my housekeeper with it. Claim any income I make.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 5:28 pm to
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This post was edited on 6/8/22 at 5:30 pm
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 5:31 pm to
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Ebay is obviously selling goods so you'll need to show your expenses should you be audited.


Good that were already taxed when I bought them.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
45060 posts
Posted on 6/8/22 at 5:34 pm to
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Out of curiosity - How do they know something is a business transaction vs. your friend paying you back for their half of a hotel you booked for y'all or something? Don't a ton of people use Venmo for splitting bills with friends?


Venmo allows users to set up specific accounts for business use.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 6/8/22 at 5:35 pm to
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Good that were already taxed when I bought them.


You paid income tax when you bought tangible personal property?
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
66193 posts
Posted on 6/8/22 at 5:36 pm to
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that's why i said "if it's actually income"

what you are describing is almost certainly not income


And I am agreeing with you.

They still send out the form.
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
66193 posts
Posted on 6/8/22 at 5:37 pm to
Care to actually provide some commentary other than ?

If I sell used items in person there is no taxing happening. I sell the same items online then I pay taxes and the buyer does as well. Is this not true?
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
25455 posts
Posted on 6/8/22 at 5:38 pm to
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If I sell used items in person there is no taxing happening. I sell the same items online then I pay taxes and the buyer does as well. Is this not true?


Yes, this is not true
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
45060 posts
Posted on 6/8/22 at 5:38 pm to
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You accept Venmo as payment for services rendered or products sold? That seems kinda dumb.


People do this all the time. It is a popular payment processor especially for tattoo artists and food trucks.
Posted by cable
Member since Oct 2018
9657 posts
Posted on 6/8/22 at 5:38 pm to
Is the IRS really going to audit you if you sell an item for $800 on Ebay? I seriously doubt that will ever happen. They might send you a letter if it's not reported on your 1040 - so you better keep track of your basis and costs and put them on your tax return. It's going to be a PITA - that's all.
This post was edited on 6/8/22 at 5:39 pm
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
66193 posts
Posted on 6/8/22 at 5:39 pm to
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"Money" is taxed constantly, the argument it has already been taxed is specious. The point a sale is made is a taxable event. If there is no profit there is no tax owed.


I wasn't exactly arguing the idea of money being constantly taxed. I do understand this and am not complaining.

My point was a response to someone alluding to the idea that we are somehow not wanting to pay taxes. I am happy to pay all the taxes. I just don't want to have to file IRS if I don't even meet the minimum. I would still like to sell a few items.
Posted by beauchristopher
new orleans
Member since Jan 2008
66193 posts
Posted on 6/8/22 at 5:41 pm to
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Yes, this is not true


Can you explain what is true?

I assumed at least sales tax was charged to sell online.
This post was edited on 6/8/22 at 5:44 pm
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
45060 posts
Posted on 6/8/22 at 5:41 pm to
quote:

If I sell used items in person there is no taxing happening. I sell the same items online then I pay taxes and the buyer does as well. Is this not true?


Venmo FAQ

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4. If I receive a 1099-K, does this include sales of stuff of mine I don’t want anymore?
Your 1099-K will show all of the payments you received for sales of goods and services on Venmo, including refunds.

It’s worth noting; however, that any amounts generally excluded from gross income are not subject to income tax. This can include amounts from selling personal items at a loss, gifts, and more. For example, if you bought an item for $800 and later sold it on Venmo for $700, this amount would not be subject to income tax.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
25825 posts
Posted on 6/8/22 at 5:42 pm to
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If I sell used items in person there is no taxing happening. I sell the same items online then I pay taxes and the buyer does as well. Is this not true?


First, let's assume you are making a profit on the sale if no profit on either sale then there is no tax owed.

If you make a profit selling the item then that is a taxable sale as far as income tax goes, if and how much you owe depends on an individual's situation.

This does not create a new tax it just makes it harder for people to evade taxes.



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