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re: The impending DEF shortage and why it's important
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:38 pm to deltaland
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:38 pm to deltaland
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I have small tractors that are new that don’t use it
Small engine are exempt, at least for now. If you have anything that goes on highway or a earthmoving machine though, it’s going to be Tier 4.
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:41 pm to deltaland
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You can get the system taken off and reprogram the computer to read the tank as full. It’s not street legal but a lot of mechanics will do it because nobody really cares. Costs about 1500 bucks
Not really an option for trucking companies and other businesses that have to deal with government regulation.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:41 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I understand them far better than most, and exhaust aftertreatment is the best thing that's happened to them.
That's neat, but I'm a little more concerned about the possibility of shutting the plant down because a piece of pollen got through the def filter.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:44 pm to wadewilson
I think he’s speaking from a personal vehicle standpoint. I say that because I cannot see why he’d be saying that from a business standpoint.
In fact, now that I think about it, I don’t see why he’s saying it at all. Doesn’t make sense.
In fact, now that I think about it, I don’t see why he’s saying it at all. Doesn’t make sense.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:47 pm to Darth_Vader
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What cracks me up is we have a handful of Google Warriors who wouldn’t know DEF if you poured it over their heads trying to argue the benefits of it. Once even cited a “5% increase in fuel efficiency”.
My point was you made a blanket statement that was clearly wrong.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:48 pm to Darth_Vader
It may have already been said, as I haven't had time to read 7 pages, but I was told Nancy Pilosi's husband owns the company that manufactures DEF. Does anyone know if this is true?
I'm glad my truck is 2012 model, the last model cummins produced (in the USA) that doesn't need DEF.
I'm glad my truck is 2012 model, the last model cummins produced (in the USA) that doesn't need DEF.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:48 pm to Darth_Vader
Went out and bought 8 gallons the other day at Rural King.
There should be a law preventing any federal mandates requiring any fuel/additive/substance of any kind of there are no production or manufacturing facilities in the US. China is also one of the bigger producers and they announced that they were restricting exports to ensure their farmers have enough.
There should be a law preventing any federal mandates requiring any fuel/additive/substance of any kind of there are no production or manufacturing facilities in the US. China is also one of the bigger producers and they announced that they were restricting exports to ensure their farmers have enough.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:54 pm to SoFla Tideroller
Yet another reason why Trump is a better leader than anything that has been in office in years
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:55 pm to BoostAddict
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I bet if you go down to Mexico or Guatemala, you'll find some Jose that has found a way to circumvent this problem. We just need to do that.
People delete it here as well. It's just difficult for fleets that have to operate "by the book" or risk being hit with massive EPA fines.
What do you think the odds are the potato, occasional-cortex, pocohantas and crazy bernie are going to get together and say, we have to rescind this.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:55 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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There should be a law preventing any federal mandates requiring any fuel/additive/substance of any kind of there are no production or manufacturing facilities in the US. China is also one of the bigger producers and they announced that they were restricting exports to ensure their farmers have enough.
Don’t fertilizer plants that make urea produce DEF?
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:55 pm to bbarras85
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I just ordered 700 gallons of exhaust fluid for our 18 wheelers and forklifts. This lasts about a year.
Problem with large capacity DEF is the degradation of the urea if in sunlight or high temperatures. It can lose its efficacy if not stored correctly.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:56 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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My point was you made a blanket statement that was clearly wrong.
Clearly Wrong? You’re still trying to argue a pathetic 5% bump in fuel efficiency, which isn’t even the case most of the time, is worth the thousands, actually hundreds of thousands of dollars in some cases, in higher maintenance, repairs, and downtime that are a direct result of the emissions system? You can’t be that stupid. You’re not serious. You’re trolling.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:57 pm to TwoFace
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It may have already been said, as I haven't had time to read 7 pages, but I was told Nancy Pilosi's husband owns the company that manufactures DEF. Does anyone know if this is true?
Would not surprise me.
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I'm glad my truck is 2012 model, the last model cummins produced (in the USA) that doesn't need DEF.
Somebody in this thread said they deleted a 2016 and 2018 dodge.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:57 pm to Darth_Vader
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Clearly Wrong?
Well yeah, you again ignored the reduced emissions simply because you don't care.
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You’re trolling.
Somewhat true. I knew you'd get fired up over it, that's for sure.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:58 pm to Darth_Vader
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From a real world business standpoint, there is no benefit from reduced emissions. The only benefit is from a fantasy “feel good” standpoint.
From a company perspective, you are (or will be) forced to play the game, or else be penalized or shunned by investors and/or your bank because of your carbon or ESG stance.
I don’t agree with this game, but through ESG, they can force it for you to be financially viable.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:59 pm to wadewilson
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Really?
I've got a hard-on for a ram 1500 ecodiesel now.
He actually just traded his in. In four years he put 225,000 miles on it.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:59 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Problem with large capacity DEF is the degradation of the urea if in sunlight or high temperatures. It can lose its efficacy if not stored correctly.
It’s worse than just that. Store it incorrectly and it starts crystallizing. If you try to add it after this happens it messes up the whole emissions system. There another few thousand thrown away.
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:59 pm to Klondikekajun
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else be penalized or shunned by investors and/or your bank because of your carbon or ESG stance.
I was told this was fake. Surely you’re not peddling fake news and misinformation are you?
Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:02 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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Well yeah, you again ignored the reduced emissions simply because you don't care.
I imagined it because reduced emissions isn’t beneficial in any way from a business standpoint.
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Somewhat true. I knew you'd get fired up over it, that's for sure.
If by causing me to laugh at you, then well done.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:03 pm to Darth_Vader
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Crystalizing. If you try to add it after this happens it messes up the whole emissions system. There another few thousand thrown away.
True, I had told plenty of customers to be careful purchasing in bulk if they aren't going to store it correctly or use it quickly, and unfortunately some learned the hard way.
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