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re: The impending DEF shortage and why it's important
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:34 pm to wadewilson
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:34 pm to wadewilson
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It's a small V6 diesel. Badass engine.
No, it's not. They've had recurring main seal issues and our fleet has had to replace engines in many because it spit the seal out on the highway.
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:36 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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yet no one has done so yet.
In a macro sense it certainly does not make a lick of sense for me to operate a tier 4 compliant pickup truck while the rest of the world runs fully mechanical old school engines on high Sulphur diesel not giving a flying frick about air quality.
While yes, it does do SOMETHING, in the grand scheme of things what it accomplishes best is drive up my operating expenses.
Get the rest of the world to do ANYTHING at all, and then we can talk about having privately owned 50hp tractors needing full SCR systems.
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:41 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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Here's another "they don't accomplish anything" argument. Seems like it would be easy to post something that backs this argument up, yet no one has done so yet.
Bootlickers gonna lick boots.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:42 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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While yes, it does do SOMETHING, in the grand scheme of things what it accomplishes best is drive up my operating expenses.
Well that was my point most can't seem to get. I was just fricking with Darth and his attitude.
I have no doubt you're right and that it is a huge net negative when it comes to the bottom line. Most added things with regulation are.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:44 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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RogerTheShrubber
Hey Roger, how's your life going?
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:44 pm to EarlyCuyler3
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I don't think that can all be blamed on DEF.
Never said it did, but continuously adding needless, feel good expenses make business a lot more expensive.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:45 pm to TigerDat
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This is bullshite. I've had 3 trucks 07 with first 6.7 with dpf, an 18 with Def and now. 21 with Def.
it's an Ram 1500 Ecodiesel. Not a F250.
The sticker literally says 27mpg on the highway, you can look that up. It's why everyone in my company has a Ram or Ford Ecodiesel b/c our company only gives a car allowance if you get 27mpg.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:45 pm to Polar Pop
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Dont fill it the correct amount, derate light. Havent regened 7 fricking times in the last 48 hours?, code.
Clearly I’m not a diesel knowledgeable man, but this thread has been very informative.
So you have to run a cycle for your exhaust every X hours? I’ve never heard of any of this stuff until today.
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:46 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Not to mention that all modern ECMs log recal events and they cannot be erased.
You can get the right software to do it. But its $$$. Am I'm still not convinced that with the EPAs current stance and the CAN units there isn't inaccessible data that big brother can pull at some point. I think the days of getting an inspection over the phone might be over soon.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:46 pm to TeddyPadillac
My 2500 ram diesel will average 26mpg on my commute if I try hard enough.
Every non-performance passenger vehicle in America should be a diesel.
Every non-performance passenger vehicle in America should be a diesel.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:47 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Every non-performance passenger vehicle in America should be a DEF-less Diesel
FIFY.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:50 pm to billjamin
You'd need a spare ECM, body control module, maybe a PCM, and maybe even a radio. Swap all the factory electronics out with replacements, program those, and replace ALL of the factory hardware for warranty work, and then you MIGHT get away with it. You'd be a no good worthless piece of dishonest shite for doing it though.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:50 pm to Clames
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On paper, in reality they are plagued by issues and even with perfect maintenance can struggle to make 100k without complete failure.
Ours has 180k. No problems.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:50 pm to Darth_Vader
My Deuce and a Half doesn’t require DEF!!!!
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:52 pm to billjamin
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No, it's not. They've had recurring main seal issues and our fleet has had to replace engines in many because it spit the seal out on the highway.
While i understand you have much more experience with a fleet, I drive my own vehicle, not a company owned vehicle i don't give a shite about. Nor am i loading it up with heavy equipment or towing shite every day.
That makes a big difference when comparing fleet vehicles to personal vehicles.
Of the 7 other guys i know that have the Ram ecodiesel, none of us have had any issues until me recently b/c i switched jobs and don't do all the highway driving anymore. I"m at 80k miles. Everyone else is well over 100k with no issues.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:56 pm to TeddyPadillac
I disagree. Spraying DEF in the pipe is a really simple way to cut NOx emissions wayyyyyyyy down. The problem is all of the requirements to monitor DEF quality, NOx reduction rates, derates for non-compliance, etc etc. Just spray the shite in the pipe.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:58 pm to TeddyPadillac
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While i understand you have much more experience with a fleet, I drive my own vehicle, not a company owned vehicle i don't give a shite about. Nor am i loading it up with heavy equipment or towing shite every day.
That makes a big difference when comparing fleet vehicles to personal vehicles.
The trucks I'm referencing weren't working hard, think safety baws running around with a bed full of hard hats and safety glasses. And they weren't abused because we track so much driver behavior it would offend most people. I'll concede that they were early gen eco-diesels and maybe they fixed the issues. But it was enough to turn us off. We're not brand/unit loyal at all, we can't afford to be operating a top 10 private fleet.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:59 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Spraying DEF in the pipe is a really simple way to cut NOx emissions wayyyyyyyy down. The problem is all of the requirements to monitor DEF quality, NOx reduction rates, derates for non-compliance, etc etc. Just spray the shite in the pipe.
That's an argument that makes a lot of sense.
Unfortunately the government can't just introduce a solution without having to monitor it 40 ways.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:59 pm to Darth_Vader
We should get VW to fix all the diesels that need DEF. They had it figured out until some a-hole put a VW on a treadmill.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 9:00 pm to Darth_Vader
Serious question. Why did diesel eventually become higher than gas? I remember when it was cheaper than gas (its just a by product of gas right and cheaper to produce?)
Then as semis started to become more popular (because diesel was cheaper) it went up above the gas price (was it simply because of demand?)
Then as semis started to become more popular (because diesel was cheaper) it went up above the gas price (was it simply because of demand?)
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