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re: The eternal Powerball question: lump sum vs installment plan?

Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:52 am to
Posted by Hog on the Hill
AR
Member since Jun 2009
13494 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:52 am to
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You are speaking to some smart, conservative guys here though. Most of which are doing well off without that large amount of cash. I'd imagine that some here, being business savvy, would find a way to invest it for small, but stable returns. For instance, I would build a small regional conglomerate. Businesses including real estate and popular chain restaurants in college towns throughout the SEC's footprint. The rest of the money I would put away in low yielding safe investments and let that compound.
I wouldn't even bother with starting a business. I'd just conservatively invest the vast majority of it and live off the returns. If that got boring I might start up a charitable foundation of some sort and hire people to to most of the management for me. Then I could dip my toes in whenever I got bored and feel like I was doing something important. But mostly I'd be traveling.
This post was edited on 1/7/16 at 8:53 am
Posted by bird35
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
13734 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:55 am to
Lump because I want to pay cash for the new house, and boats. Then invest the rest and live off the interest.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
32130 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:58 am to
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lump sum and after taxes i'd take like 75% and put it into some sort of index fund to get a conservative return and a fat arse annual salary for life


This is what most people probably should do (and what I would do). You can easily have yourself a six figure "salary" every year off interest alone. And with house & vehicle paid for, your bills are minimal.

I would also consider rental property. Nothing in the slums, but several properties to gain additional cash flow and own real estate as an investment.

Also, hookers and blow.

Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25933 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:00 am to
All these people talking investments. Honestly with that much money it could make 0% and you would have a hard time spending it in a lifetime.
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
20256 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:02 am to
The sum
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:03 am to
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Annuity = $675 divided by 29 = $23.27 mill per year taxed = almost $14 million per YEAR in bring home.
Over 29 years you're bringing home $405 million vs $247 million.


Good post, except for:
The powerball installments do not work like this. You don't take the amount and divide by 29 or 30 to get your yearly payment.

The first year you would receive approximately 10 million. The last year you would receive a little over 41 million.
Posted by Happygilmore
Happy Place
Member since Mar 2009
1836 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:04 am to
i understand now.
This post was edited on 1/7/16 at 9:12 am
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
80832 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:05 am to
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I am also not an idiot with money and I might beable to spend 6.5 million the first few years without an issue but after that I might have trouble spending that much every year and I'm assuming I will be giving a lot to charity and family and friends.


No, your tastes will grow grander as will your spending. Spending begets spending. That huge amount you've invested will become very tempting to tap into.
Posted by Rockbrc
Attic
Member since Nov 2015
9934 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:06 am to
Lump
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
24301 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:06 am to
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Also, hookers and blow.
I'd imagine that I would just hire hot coeds in all my business offices and over pay them because i'm hitting it.
Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
22026 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:07 am to
All in on a lump sum payment!
Posted by Major Dutch Schaefer
Location: Classified
Member since Nov 2011
39780 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:15 am to
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Lump
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:19 am to
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so doesnt that put you in the 39.5% bracket for taxes every year.



Damn dude. There is a a tax rate schedule. If you make 500,000 a year you don't pay 39.6% on the whole amount. You pay 10% on everything up to 18,850 - 15% on everything over 18,850 up to 75,300 - 25% percent for over 75,300 up to 151,900, etc.

So if in 2016 you make $500,000 are married and file a joint return you would pay 143,666 in taxes. This is an effective tax rate of 28.73% and not 39.6%.

You pay taxes based on a schedule which gradually increases the more money you make. With installments each year you are paying 10% on a portion of the income.

Posted by Slip Screen
Magnolia, Texas
Member since Jan 2005
2205 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:19 am to
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Lump. I wouldn't trust the lottery to not go bankrupt, and I don't trust the democrats to not raise taxes.


This
Posted by weedGOKU666
Member since Jan 2013
3749 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:21 am to
Take the lump sum and convert 99% of it to gold. Take the remaining 1% and buy Yeti coolers to store the gold. Sit on that for a decade and I'll be sitting pretty
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17919 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:28 am to
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So if in 2016 you make $500,000 are married and file a joint return you would pay 143,666 in taxes. This is an effective tax rate of 28.73% and not 39.6%.


While this is correct you are leaving out several factors
1) at 500K that would be your effective tax rate, but at 22.5 million the effective tax rate would be much closer to the 39% as so much more of a percent income is above the top rate

2) Taxes will either go lower, stay the same or go higher in the future, think what you want but I am putting my money they will increase
Posted by Peazey
Metry
Member since Apr 2012
25427 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:28 am to
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I wouldn't even bother with starting a business.


Trying to start a business and investing in friends' half baked business ideas seems like it would be the way that most of these people who come into big wealth quickly waste their money. They throw themselves into a business that they have no experience running and haven't worked their way into, slowly gaining necessary experience, and of course the business goes belly up. It just ends up being a huge waste of funds. I think there are a ton of failed restaurants founded by current and former NFL players.
This post was edited on 1/7/16 at 9:29 am
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
74653 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:29 am to
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Lump. I wouldn't trust the lottery to not go bankrupt, and I don't trust the democrats to not raise taxes.





Exactly this.
Posted by artompkins
Orange Beach, Al
Member since May 2010
6386 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:30 am to
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Take the lump sum and convert 99% of it to gold. Take the remaining 1% and buy Yeti coolers to store the gold. Sit on that for a decade and I'll be sitting pretty


Owning real gold is dumb for many reasons but for tax purposes, it's taxed as a collectable at 28% when you sell it unless you are selling to shady people off the grid which, at some point, they are going to shoot you dead and take all of it any how. Don't ever buy real stuff. If you have too, invest in a fund that owns mining companies.
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17919 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 9:31 am to
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Over 29 years you're bringing home $405 million vs $247 million


and you are losing 29 years of investing opportunity as well as taking chances with the tax code and devaluation of the US dollar, but like previously stated, those people who do not understand money should get the annuity, might be a good choice for you
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