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re: The eternal Powerball question: lump sum vs installment plan?

Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:26 am to
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:26 am to
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Which means they aren't any worse off than they were before they hit it, plus they had a shitload of fun along the way.


Arkansas fan justifying rednecks blowing all their lotto winnins...fitting
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:28 am to
Lump sum.

I'd overdose long before the installments ever finished paying anyway. And I'm not married and I'll be damned if any of the bastards I make or their hooker or gold digging mothers I put them in get set up to get paid the majority of MY money for the next couple of decades.
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:29 am to
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Do you still have to pay the gift tax if you just pay a huge bill for someone? Like say I paid off a family member's student loans that went to law school. Does that still fall under that?


You can pay for anybody's education expense or health care, whether they are related or not, and not have to pay tax on it.
Posted by More beer please
Member since Feb 2010
46609 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:30 am to
Ask my FIL and have his accountant take care of it. Whatever is smartest financially.
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:33 am to
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Lump sum. No doubt. At least then if I die I can give it to mi familia. Installments don't continue after death.


Where in the "F" did you learn that at?
Posted by wheelz007
Denham Springs, LA
Member since Jan 2010
3386 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:38 am to
Take the 29 annual payments.

For 2 reasons.

1.) Lump some of $675; $413.1 mill taxed = $247 million to you. Yes that's a lot of money... but it's a 1 time payment.

Annuity = $675 divided by 29 = $23.27 mill per year taxed = almost $14 million per YEAR in bring home.
Over 29 years you're bringing home $405 million vs $247 million.

2.) If you take the lump sum, you will figure out a way to blow through $247 million at some point. IT happens to most winners. There is no more money unless you invest it wisely. One payment and that's it.

By taking annuity, you're getting $14 million a year, EVERY YEAR, on your anniversary winning date, this year and for 28 more years.

That gives you 29 chances at being a millionaire and how to manage that amount of money. You can blow it the first year. Hell, you can blow it the first 10 years and still figure out how to get it right.
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42503 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:39 am to
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i think they'd have to pay income tax on that amount


But what if you yourself are paying it and no money changes hands other than to the holder of the debt? The reason I asked, is my buddy and I have talked about this. If we won the lottery, we'd probably pay off all of our families bills, and likely a few friends as well. But try to do it in a way that they would not know until after the fact.
Posted by LSUEEAlum
Member since Oct 2013
832 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:39 am to
I'm using the current example. The jackpot is 675 million, 415 million cash, after taxes I assumed 215 million. I am assuming I can atleast make 3% interest on that which would be about 6.5 million. I am also not an idiot with money and I might beable to spend 6.5 million the first few years without an issue but after that I might have trouble spending that much every year and I'm assuming I will be giving a lot to charity and family and friends.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
24301 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:41 am to
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Yeah you have to settle for a used g4 at 213
Posted by ThatMakesSense
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Aug 2015
15281 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:42 am to
Everyone miraculously becomes a fricking financial analyst wizard when Powerball goes wayyyy overboard.

God Bless the USA, baby!
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:43 am to
quote:

Take the 29 annual payments.

For 2 reasons.

1.) Lump some of $675; $413.1 mill taxed = $247 million to you. Yes that's a lot of money... but it's a 1 time payment.

Annuity = $675 divided by 29 = $23.27 mill per year taxed = almost $14 million per YEAR in bring home.
Over 29 years you're bringing home $405 million vs $247 million.

2.) If you take the lump sum, you will figure out a way to blow through $247 million at some point. IT happens to most winners. There is no more money unless you invest it wisely. One payment and that's it.

By taking annuity, you're getting $14 million a year, EVERY YEAR, on your anniversary winning date, this year and for 28 more years.

That gives you 29 chances at being a millionaire and how to manage that amount of money. You can blow it the first year. Hell, you can blow it the first 10 years and still figure out how to get it right.




This is so stupid because it relies on one assumption: That we will blow through our winnings. If you take the lump sum, the huge amount of interest payments you'd get annually more than makes up for the hit you take it taxes.

Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
66559 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:43 am to
Lump
Posted by SBC
Member since Oct 2005
6887 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:46 am to
Always lumpsum
Posted by CajunAlum Tiger Fan
The Great State of Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
8057 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:46 am to
quote:

Over 29 years you're bringing home $405 million vs $247 million.


People need to understand TVM.

It's a simple concept that prevents this kind of thinking.

Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
24301 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:46 am to
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2.) If you take the lump sum, you will figure out a way to blow through $247 million at some point. IT happens to most winners. There is no more money unless you invest it wisely. One payment and that's it.
You are speaking to some smart, conservative guys here though. Most of which are doing well off without that large amount of cash. I'd imagine that some here, being business savvy, would find a way to invest it for small, but stable returns. For instance, I would build a small regional conglomerate. Businesses including real estate and popular chain restaurants in college towns throughout the SEC's footprint. The rest of the money I would put away in low yielding safe investments and let that compound.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
24301 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:47 am to
quote:

People need to understand TVM.

It's a simple concept that prevents this kind of thinking.

exactly.
Posted by Will Munny
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
3110 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:47 am to
Take the lump, but tell family and friends I took installments so they don't know I have the whole amount on me.
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
26751 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:49 am to
What happens to the installments if you die? Do they cease? I'm taking lump sum regardless, but just curious. If they installments don't survive your death, you are talking a huge risk for your family if you take the installments.
Posted by ConfusedHawgInMO
Member since Apr 2014
3578 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:50 am to
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Arkansas fan justifying rednecks blowing all their lotto winnins...fitting


Hey gotta look at the bright side.
Posted by ThatMakesSense
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Aug 2015
15281 posts
Posted on 1/7/16 at 8:51 am to
Which of you stupids would tythe any winnings?
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