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The Environmental Wack Job’s war on motorcycles in England. An example of the lunacy

Posted on 2/3/23 at 7:39 am
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 7:39 am
Now obviously motorcycles do not click everyone’s boxes or fit everyone’s needs, but it is quite difficult for me to understand how anyone could be sold out to climate change, and reducing the global carbon footprint and yet reluctant to encourage more motorcycle transportation, and yet that is exactly what many environmental wack jobs in Europe have declared war upon. Below are clearly a few net benefits off the top of my head to having more motorcycles on the roads to that of cars and trucks:

- A fraction of the carbon footprint to that of even a tiny combustion engine car, which significantly reduces air pollution.
- Gas mileage is absurdly better, even double to that of a car or truck, which would significantly reduce our energy consumption, and natural resources we pump out of the earth.
- Takes up less mass to that of a car or truck and would thus decrease traffic congestion and improve the sheer amount of air pollution overall because people would be getting to and fro much faster.
- Significantly reduces that amount of space necessary for parking.
- Puts significantly less wear and tear on our roads to that of larger vehicles traversing our streets.

Again, this is not necessarily an appeal for more and more motorcycles, although I do see that as a net benefit, as well as probably a more polite society on the roads less fixated on the TV phone in front of their faces as they drive, and their vehicle as some impenetrable force field, and much more focused on safety and the task at hand in front of them. What this is however, is a very obvious attack on anything that uses petroleum as a means of power for transportation. This can be no more clearly demonstrated IMO than in England for example which is proposing an all out ban on all motorcycles that are 125 cc’s and smaller by the year 2030, and since those smaller displacement engines consume the least of all motorcycles and are the most fuel efficient of all vehicles, why would you start there if your intent is to reduce the carbon footprint overall?

I smell draconian agendas to make the rich richer. How could I not? I say this in light of these wack jobs pushing for ever more green zones in England which strictly regulates or even bans any and all vehicles from entering certain areas of the country, as if people won’t just drive around those areas and produce the same amount of carbon still, even more given the increasing amount of congestion and miles it takes them to get to their destination. None of this makes sense. Can anyone help me wrap my head around this insanity?








This post was edited on 2/3/23 at 8:00 am
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 7:41 am to
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This can be no more clearly demonstrated IMO than in England for example which is proposing an all out ban on all motorcycles that are 125 cc’s and smaller by the year 2030, and since those smaller displacement engines consume the least of all motorcycles and are the most fuel efficient of all vehicles, why would you start there if your intent is to reduce the carbon footprint overall?


What are their emmisions? Fuel efficient is only one part of the equation.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 7:43 am to
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probably a more polite society on the roads


Motorcyclists are some of the biggest assholes on the road

Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 7:44 am to
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What are their emmisions? Fuel efficient is only one part of the equation.



Mostly scooters I’d say. Let’s take the Honda Metropolitan for example, a 49 cc engine that gets somewhere in the neighborhood of 117 MPG.
Posted by jnethe1
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 7:45 am to
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Motorcyclists are some of the biggest assholes on the road


Well I would rather be around the hells angels than one looney environmentalist cultist. Weird fricks.
Posted by Ingeniero
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 7:45 am to
Lemme just give you some advice from a forum connoisseur. You need to put
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England for example which is proposing an all out ban on all motorcycles that are 125 cc’s and smaller by the year 2030

As the first thing in your post. If you make me read halfway through your third paragraph to get to your thesis statement imma just post something about 350 and be on my way
Posted by mdomingue
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 7:46 am to
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Motorcyclists are some of the biggest assholes on the road




Right behind cyclists.
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 7:49 am to
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Mostly scooters I’d say. Let’s take the Honda Metropolitan for example, a 49 cc engine that gets somewhere in the neighborhood of 117 MPG.


Does the fuel efficency comes at the expense of higher emissions?
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 7:54 am to
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Does the fuel efficency comes at the expense of higher emissions?



They all have to comply with emission standards set by their country as any other vehicle has to or it cannot be driven.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:04 am to
Good. People think driving a motorcycle makes them a real man but I roll coal on them all day. You’re not a real man unless you drive a diesel
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:05 am to
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Good. People think driving a motorcycle makes them a real man but I roll coal on them all day. You’re not a real man unless you drive a diesel



Yeah, wooo!
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:09 am to
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They all have to comply with emission standards set by their country as any other vehicle has to or it cannot be driven.


Well yeah, but emissions standards are a lot more lax for motorcycles.

They could tighten the standards on motorcycles. If that is possible.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:21 am to
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Well yeah, but emissions standards are a lot more lax for motorcycles.

They could tighten the standards on motorcycles. If that is possible.



From what I’ve seen via youtube, or admittedly little reading I’ve put in on the matter, all new motorcycles have to be Euro 5 compliant as all other vehicles have to be as well. Now, I’m sure there are older motorcycles and vehicles still on the road that are not, but I want to say they had a grace period to be updated to the new standards. Regardless, going forward, I’m pretty sure they all have to abide by the new emission standard or they cannot be sold there.
Posted by SantaFe
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:43 am to
The eco-terrorists have one goal. Their ultimate goal is to have everyone on foot.
I like motorcycles and would have and ride one daily except for one fact: people who drive cars/trucks do not see motorcycles and thus hit and kill them.
Posted by GruntbyAssociation
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 9:06 am to
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Good. People think driving a motorcycle makes them a real man but I roll coal on them all day. You’re not a real man unless you drive a diesel



You’re a Coyote alter.
Posted by GruntbyAssociation
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 9:12 am to
I guess it’s time to buy a motorcycle.
Posted by RedPop4
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 9:19 am to
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I smell draconian agendas to make the rich richer. How could I not? I say this in light of these wack jobs pushing for ever more green zones in England

I think you have answered your own question.

Coyote isn't a patch on el Gaucho's arse.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 9:20 am to
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draconian


Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 9:23 am to
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What are their emmisions? Fuel efficient is only one part of the equation.



I'm talking completely out of my arse, but I have a hard time believing that even with absurdly relaxed emissions regulations that a motorcycle is anywhere near the same realm as a regular car.
Posted by chrome_daddy
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Member since May 2004
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 9:26 am to
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People think driving a motorcycle makes them a real man but I roll coal on them all day. You’re not a real man unless you drive a diesel
Nah...a real man does both because he commands everything.
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