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re: The curveballs of life
Posted on 5/18/23 at 10:42 am to TomJoadGhost
Posted on 5/18/23 at 10:42 am to TomJoadGhost
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I know some of it is true because I witnessed it, but it’d be my word against his. It’d mostly be personally embarrassing for him. He’s deacon at his church and likes to project an image of a good, Christian man, faithful to his wife and family. On a work trip, I witnessed him and a woman that wasn’t his wife leave a hotel bar together hand-in-hand and go up to his room. Another colleague witnessed similar on a separate trip, but that colleague has since passed away.
While certainly something which could be compromising outside of telling his spouse there ain't much to be done from a work POV. Most likely his actions are no unknown and will catch up to him.
I was thinking more along the lines of malfeasance in the workplace like accepting "gifts" and offering favorable oversite to vendors etc. Or going off the rails requirement wise...that sort of thing. Unfortunately even with security clearances once they are abjudicated there is little bad behavior outside of committing a crime, substance abuse or financial difficulty that will cause him any concern in his personal life.
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Posted on 5/18/23 at 10:47 am to TomJoadGhost
You should add your name as a watermark to any documents that you have already created. 
Posted on 5/18/23 at 10:55 am to Chingon Ag
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Folks we have a potential whistleblower here!
Absolutely. If you are going to be in a position of trust with the taxpayers money it is incumbent upon you to protect their interests in the same manner you would your own...I understand that sounds like a snitch or a rat but if more people associated with the government in any capacity took their oath to heaty folks would not mistrust the government as they do...and rightfully so.
All federal, state and local employees and contractors agree to something along the lines of "I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which
I am about to enter". Thats from a federal oath but it applies in some fashion to almost any government employee or contract. There are established ethical guidelines expected of people in positions of trust and one of those states "Employees shall disclose waste, fraud, abuse, and corruption to appropriate authorities". If you agree to do something in exchange for something you should mean it whether it means your experiencing difficulties yourself...if a person does not take this to heart they should not be in a position of trust. Unfortunately too many people do so and when it goes south the public is rightfully outraged. It is no small consideration in my personal opinion...I get that it seems like snitching or ratting or whatever you choose to call it but it ain't my money, its yours.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 10:59 am to TomJoadGhost
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I refuse to work for this guy long term.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 11:00 am to TomJoadGhost
Dealing with MALEVOLENCE. There should be classes taught in this. As opposed to standard human assholery, it quite a shock to the system to be targeted by someone.
1. Don’t react.
2 Don’t retaliate.
3. Do your job and be happy.
1. Don’t react.
2 Don’t retaliate.
3. Do your job and be happy.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 11:03 am to AwgustaDawg
Maybe it’s the places I’ve worked, but I’ve found. The whistleblower and accountability aspect to be a complete joke if the person suspected of wrongdoing is well connected. Best example - several years ago there was a guy that realized in the new fiscal/budget year that he forgot to order something that was budgeted in the prior year. That budgeted item did but get rolled forward to the new year. So he orders it anyway, then brought a quote from the vendor up to AP to get it paid. It had no date or invoice number on it so they refused. He came back a few hours later with an invoice he created from the quote where he filled in the date and invoice number. They refused to pay it again. Invoice came to AP a few weeks later of course with a date in the new fiscal year where there was no budget for it. Guy submitted a fraudulent invoice for a $20,000 order and absolutely nothing happened to him. Worse, the board had to approve a budget amendment so the invoice could be paid in the new fiscal year.
He’s good friend with one of the board members, and his boss’s wife was best friends with the HR director.
He’s good friend with one of the board members, and his boss’s wife was best friends with the HR director.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 11:06 am to TomJoadGhost
Learn to weld
Posted on 5/18/23 at 11:20 am to TomJoadGhost
quote:Sir, we have rules here.
My old boss has already found something and she said she’d find a place for me there if I was interested.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 11:25 am to TomJoadGhost
Having been in your shoes, here are some things to watch out for.
Can't give you the broom, but can make your life miserable.
-Move your best and brightest people directly under them or create a defacto reporting environment to redirect their loyalty (small promotions/reclass).
-Yearly erosion of your performance rating. Small items are made huge, huge accomplishments are picked to death.
-Constant topic of conversation, marked as a management time suck, general casting of blame and ill will.
-No praise...ever
-Reclassification/reorg/recast
-Assignment of difficult projects no one else can or want to do.
-My personal favorite: Manager: "I know its an impossible timeline, but lets just pencil in the 15th as a due date just to see where we are". Manager: "its the 15th, why aren't you done with your project?"
Its one of the pitfalls of appointed positions. Rule is - you're in, or you better get out.
Every person I have gone to work for was awesome; their follow on's were not.
Can't give you the broom, but can make your life miserable.
-Move your best and brightest people directly under them or create a defacto reporting environment to redirect their loyalty (small promotions/reclass).
-Yearly erosion of your performance rating. Small items are made huge, huge accomplishments are picked to death.
-Constant topic of conversation, marked as a management time suck, general casting of blame and ill will.
-No praise...ever
-Reclassification/reorg/recast
-Assignment of difficult projects no one else can or want to do.
-My personal favorite: Manager: "I know its an impossible timeline, but lets just pencil in the 15th as a due date just to see where we are". Manager: "its the 15th, why aren't you done with your project?"
Its one of the pitfalls of appointed positions. Rule is - you're in, or you better get out.
Every person I have gone to work for was awesome; their follow on's were not.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 12:28 pm to DarthGadget
Good pints.
- I have 4 people that report to me. 2 have the years to retire and have said they will retire if they’re moved to his supervision. That hasn’t happened yet, but I’m waiting for it.
- My last review was in December so I’m good on that for 6 more months.
- This new boss has been pumping me up all week and stroking my ego, but I’ve been around him long enough to know what a back stabber he is. I’m watching my words very carefully around him.
- He and the director actually took away a difficult project. Admittedly, my boss and I did miss the tentative deadline of April 30th, but that was somewhat expected and not entirely our fault. My old boss felt betrayed by the director because he had sent us several emails that he was fine with the tentative deadline being missed and understood, then he used that as a reason why he was taking the project away and giving it to this guy. So she quit, and now I have this new boss. She printed off all of those emails and put them with her resignation letter. Supposedly he removed those emails when he gave the resignation letter to HR, but she had also sent a resignation letter to HR with the emails attached.
- I’m expecting the unrealistic deadline bit, and working on a plan for that.
I’m taking the position that I have some security knowing I can retire at any moment, so I’m going to have a short leash with any of their shenanigans.
- I have 4 people that report to me. 2 have the years to retire and have said they will retire if they’re moved to his supervision. That hasn’t happened yet, but I’m waiting for it.
- My last review was in December so I’m good on that for 6 more months.
- This new boss has been pumping me up all week and stroking my ego, but I’ve been around him long enough to know what a back stabber he is. I’m watching my words very carefully around him.
- He and the director actually took away a difficult project. Admittedly, my boss and I did miss the tentative deadline of April 30th, but that was somewhat expected and not entirely our fault. My old boss felt betrayed by the director because he had sent us several emails that he was fine with the tentative deadline being missed and understood, then he used that as a reason why he was taking the project away and giving it to this guy. So she quit, and now I have this new boss. She printed off all of those emails and put them with her resignation letter. Supposedly he removed those emails when he gave the resignation letter to HR, but she had also sent a resignation letter to HR with the emails attached.
- I’m expecting the unrealistic deadline bit, and working on a plan for that.
I’m taking the position that I have some security knowing I can retire at any moment, so I’m going to have a short leash with any of their shenanigans.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 1:37 pm to TomJoadGhost
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Maybe it’s the places I’ve worked, but I’ve found. The whistleblower and accountability aspect to be a complete joke if the person suspected of wrongdoing is well connected. Best example - several years ago there was a guy that realized in the new fiscal/budget year that he forgot to order something that was budgeted in the prior year. That budgeted item did but get rolled forward to the new year. So he orders it anyway, then brought a quote from the vendor up to AP to get it paid. It had no date or invoice number on it so they refused. He came back a few hours later with an invoice he created from the quote where he filled in the date and invoice number. They refused to pay it again. Invoice came to AP a few weeks later of course with a date in the new fiscal year where there was no budget for it. Guy submitted a fraudulent invoice for a $20,000 order and absolutely nothing happened to him. Worse, the board had to approve a budget amendment so the invoice could be paid in the new fiscal year.
He’s good friend with one of the board members, and his boss’s wife was best friends with the HR director.
Unfortunately you are 100% correct and the reason more public servants do not get involved. I have always maintained that I am going to do what I would want someone to do for me and it has not been without risk but when I am staring at the face I shave I can do so without pause.
The public is right to mistrust public servants but I have been in organizations where fiscal and ethical responsibilities were not just lip service and it was enlightening to say the least...people in those organizations are not prone to becoming cynical and are exactly what the public is paying for. On the other side I have seen the kind of stuff you describe all too often...
Posted on 5/18/23 at 1:42 pm to TomJoadGhost
Maybe your boss got fired because she covered up your failed drug test that you were bragging about LINK
Posted on 5/18/23 at 1:42 pm to Hogwarts
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I'm a state employee and can relate to this statement
When I worked for the state we had a secretary that would go to the Belle and gamble for 3-4 hours a day on the clock. And that was nothing.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 1:49 pm to TomJoadGhost
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I had implemented some changes that have received serious pushback.
If you implement changes in a government job its going to piss off some people and some of those people are willing to do whatever they can to either make it tough for you or try what they can to get you fired.
I been in a position like that, but the change was wanted from those on top. But politicians have a way of getting things changed without letting the people who implemented the system that will be changing know it was them who wanted it. They prefer to force people to quit that to tell them "hey, this is what is going on".
Posted on 5/18/23 at 2:28 pm to redneck
She didn’t get fired. She quit because she lost faith and trust in her boss and saw what was eventually coming her way. Her boss was involved in ignoring that case, but did make me go a few weeks later to test again, and I passed.
Like I said above, accountability in government work is a joke and I’ve been the beneficiary of that a couple of times.
Like I said above, accountability in government work is a joke and I’ve been the beneficiary of that a couple of times.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:18 pm to TomJoadGhost
but part of me doesn’t want to give them the satisfaction of leaving
frick em
frick em
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:19 pm to JDPndahizzy
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I mean I'd be the worst employee the government has ever seen
That would get you a promotion
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:21 pm to TomJoadGhost
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I have plenty of connections to find something else, but part of me doesn’t want to give them the satisfaction of leaving
I don’t understand this. You have your pension, leave, collect your pension, find something in the private sector you enjoy and make a salary on top of your pension. Why do you car about their satisfaction?
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:28 pm to TomJoadGhost
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- I have 4 people that report to me. 2 have the years to retire and have said they will retire if they’re moved to his supervision. That hasn’t happened yet, but I’m waiting for it.
Just team up and all walk out at the same time.
Posted on 5/18/23 at 3:34 pm to TomJoadGhost
Play nice for a bit, pay off your house, roll into retirement, and don't look back, no regrets. And don't get married, I repeat, don't get married.
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