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re: The circle of COVID. Unvaccinated better equipped to defeat looming Lamda variant
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:03 am to Tigerbait357
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:03 am to Tigerbait357
Tri-Delta - everyone else has
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:13 am to rocket31
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natural immunity might be a better inoculation against covid than the vaccine, but the way big pharma is pushing the vaccine on everyone we might not get a control group unfortunately
So, your hypothesis is that getting covid is a better way to prevent getting covid than a vaccine is to prevent covid.
I'm having a tough time following this logic.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:18 am to RobbBobb
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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention keeps its own list of variants of concern and interest within the United States. Notably, lambda is not on the CDC's list as being a variant of interest, concern or high consequence.
This is why there hasn't been much talk of this variant.
The vast majority of cases right now are the Delta strain and thats what people should be focused on.
Here is a good article about it
USA Today
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lambda has some mutations that are similar to other variants that have raised concern, it does not appear to be nearly as transmissible as delta.
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As of June, the WHO said it had identified the lambda variant in 29 countries. Argentina and Chile have also seen rising lambda cases, the WHO said.
However, the variant hasn't spread nearly to the same level on a global scale as the delta variant.
“I know there’s great interest in lambda, but I think people really need to be focused on delta,” Long said. “Most importantly, regardless of the variant, our best defense against all these variants is vaccination.
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Duggal said while there is not reason to believe the vaccines will be ineffective against the lambda variant, more data is need to know exactly how effective it will be. The efficacy may lower some, but hospitalization may still be largely preventable in variant cases with vaccination, he said.
'Nothing in this world is 100%':Those fully vaccinated against COVID-19 can be infected, but serious illness is rare
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 12:27 am
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:20 am to borotiger
Your immunity from getting smallpox would be better than getting the vaccine too, doesn't mean that I want smallpox.
"Don't get the vaccine, if you want to be protected against covid then go out and get covid" is the argument these people are making in here.
"Don't get the vaccine, if you want to be protected against covid then go out and get covid" is the argument these people are making in here.
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So, your hypothesis is that getting covid is a better way to prevent getting covid than a vaccine is to prevent covid.
I'm having a tough time following this logic.
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 12:30 am
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:28 am to CrimsonFever
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Your immunity from getting smallpox would be better than getting the vaccine too, doesn't mean that I want smallpox.
"Don't get the vaccine, go out and get covid instead" is the argument these people are making in here. ?
I seriously doubt anyone on here would ever turn their nose up at a traditionally developed vaccine. This MRNA just isn't cracked up to what they expected.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:32 am to Chrome
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This MRNA just isn't cracked up to what they expected.
The vaccine isn't the problem, its the people not getting the vaccine, which could create new variants. A lot more people are getting vaccinated these past couple of weeks, its a great sign. The more people are vaccinated the less chance of a new eventual variant that could evade the antibodies and even reinfect people that have already been sick from a different variant.
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 12:39 am
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:36 am to Vastmind
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So far it’s been shown that natural immunity may last at least 11 months.
My wife had Covid in March/April 2020, she still had antibodies in July 2021 at her last test.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:40 am to Bwmdx
Will anyone ever make China pay for this?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:41 am to AllsGroovn
The problem is, if a new variant forms that can get around the vaccine antibodies then its gonna be able to get around the antibodies of someone who has already had covid too. The less people are vaccinated in an area the more the virus can infect people, replicate, mutate, form new variants.
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 12:47 am
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:43 am to Chrome
quote:Doubt away, but the J&J vaccine is a more "traditional" virus-based vaccine and they're scared of it, too.
I seriously doubt anyone on here would ever turn their nose up at a traditionally developed vaccine.
quote:The mRNA vaccines work better than the J&J.
This MRNA just isn't cracked up to what they expected.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:45 am to Cash
I had the first moderna shot 3 weeks ago and tested positive tonight. Hopefully that did something to help
Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:58 am to tigersbh
quote:Exactly. Fear can make people do irrational things, like abandon their sense of personal and community responsibility to avoid getting a shot, and to believe that people in government like to beat off to the thought of people wearing masks.
You know what it is - fear. It can make you do irrational things.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:02 am to ithad2bme
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The idea that there are only a couple versions of this is ridiculous, there were dozens of versions just in the first few months.
There were almost 2,000 different variations sequenced by late last fall.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:33 am to CrimsonFever
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The vaccine isn't the problem, its the people not getting the vaccine, which could create new variants.
Good job buddy! It’s obvious you’re retarded but at least you’ve learned to use the internet.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:36 am to RobbBobb
Had both
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:52 am to CrimsonFever
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The problem is, if a new variant forms that can get around the vaccine antibodies then its gonna be able to get around the antibodies of someone who has already had covid too
You should stop posting on all things COVID. Its clear youve staked out your position, and dont want to look at new data. Plus you didnt read the article
But dont pretend the Rockefeller Univ. research didnt clearly state that traditional immunity evolves and combats new variants. While mRNA vaccines actually wane over 6 months, and doesnt defend against new variants
Posted on 8/4/21 at 2:11 am to Chrome
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This MRNA just isn't cracked up to what they expected.
I see it as just the opposite. It proved to have a quicker development time than viral vector vaccines. The vaccines produced performed at least as well as the viral vector competition and most interesting of all is the fact a significant shift in the spike protein of the virus can be easily and quickly covered with a modification to the original vaccine, far quicker than a traditional viral vector vaccine.
mRNA tech is proving to be a major step forward in vaccine production.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 2:20 am to Obtuse1
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mRNA tech is proving to be a major step forward in vaccine production.
The researchers disagreed. Getting constant booster shots only adds a quantity of antibodies, not quality.
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Coauthor Michel Nussenzweig said giving those individuals a third dose of the same vaccine would likely result in higher levels of antibodies that remain less effective against variants.
Should we learn that efficacy is indeed waning for serious infection and an updated vaccine becomes available that protects against specific variants, "then that would be the choice."
Posted on 8/4/21 at 2:32 am to RobbBobb
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The researchers disagreed
That would be difficult to say since they did not even address my point.
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Getting constant booster shots only adds a quantity of antibodies, not quality.
Correct the additional boosters would do little to increase efficacy against a variant that the vaccine was not designed for and is different enough to circumvent the antibodies produced by the vaccine. The remarkable part is producing a vaccine with mRNA tech for a new vaccine "resistant" mutation is much quicker and simpler than starting over to produce a new viral vector vaccine. It is a quick and simple (in the vaccine world) technology that is essentially plug and play.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 2:43 am to Obtuse1
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mRNA tech for a new vaccine "resistant" mutation is much quicker and simpler
Yeah, I'm not getting the glee. If the mRNA is waning after 5 months, then the entire nation has to gear up for a new round? Including the adverse effects? You wont even get through the population, before a new vaccine will be required
We took off in Dec and by July the US started getting an acceleration of breakthrough cases, and we've still got 50% of the population not fully vaxed. Its a logistical nightmare to attempt plug and play
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