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Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:36 am to tigerskin
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I am a Republican
ok.
I said authoritarian.
the republican peg fits that hole too
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:37 am to MidnightVibe
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So it took the CDC 8 months to figure out that a piece of cloth that blocks aerosols 10 microns or larger in one direction, will block aerosols 10 microns or larger in the other direction as well?
Jokes on you, they knew immediately. They just wanted to get paid for 8 months of work
Posted on 11/12/20 at 11:00 am to beerJeep
Masks reduce the spread of halitosis by 0%
Posted on 11/12/20 at 11:07 am to BregmansWheelbarrow
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I thought everyone knew the risk was substantially lower if two people in a room were wearing masks as opposed to only one.
In that case, before today the mask was only supposed to protect the non-masked person in the room according to the cdc. Think about how stupid that sounds for a minute.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 11:11 am to BregmansWheelbarrow
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Regardless of the philosophy, isn’t it common fricking sense that if it stops something from getting out, it would stop it from getting in?
To everyone except the cdc and the sheep that blindly believe their lies? Yes, it’s extremely common fricking sense. Yet here we are.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 11:25 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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Most on here think this is a joke.
Most people on here don't think COVID-19 is a "joke." They think much of the government response to it has been a joke, if not an outright fricking disaster. As well as many of us dispute the death statistics because we have seen government officials admit to counting MANY COVID deaths that were not actually COVID deaths.
And all this for, basically, another flu.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 11:30 am to MidnightVibe
and the virus is 1 micron.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 11:34 am to Kimist
quote:bullshite. That's exactly WHY people are starting to revolt. Because we have. We all have. And it's gotten us to a point that's actually a little worse than when it all started. So no, we're not just keep blindly following recommendations that are bunk.
If people would just follow the recommendations, this would be closer to being over.
quote:Let me explain something to you. A cloth mask is made of mostly cotton threading. A virus is microscopic. How in the frick do you think the interweave of cotton thread is going to be enough to block out something that is microscopic? To be clear, you can view cotton threading under a 40x lens on a microscope. You need an electron microscope to view Covid 19 virus.
I know the reccomendations change, but our knowledge of this specific virus and the situation changes.
The more we know about how masks work, the better we can convince people to wear them. Just look at this site to see how ignorant people are. Most on here think this is a joke.
You know the analogy people have used that they put up a chain link fence to protect themselves from mosquitos in the backyard? Yeah, that.
This post was edited on 11/12/20 at 11:44 am
Posted on 11/12/20 at 11:37 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
Have you researched actual peer reviewed, published scientific studies on masks and transmission of respiratory viruses? I have. There are several that existed before COVID. COVID is transmitted in the same manner as the flu, TB etc. Cloth masks did virtually NOTHING. Does it hurt to wear them? I don't believe so... although, one research study said in some cases they can increase the risk of transmission if you wear one too long and moisture builds up in it.
Americans act as if world scientific consensus is 100% in favor of masks. It isn't. The science of masks is disputed by scientists around the world. Renowned epidemiologists even... Like these definitely not right-wing Trump supporters from Oxford University's Center for Evidence Based Medicine. Guy who wrote the article is an Oxford epidemiologist and physician who also works on front lines treating COVID patients. He has no political axe to grind. He is operating purely on science, fact and evidence.
Oxford University Center for Evidence Based Medicine - Masking Lack of Evidence with Politics
Americans act as if world scientific consensus is 100% in favor of masks. It isn't. The science of masks is disputed by scientists around the world. Renowned epidemiologists even... Like these definitely not right-wing Trump supporters from Oxford University's Center for Evidence Based Medicine. Guy who wrote the article is an Oxford epidemiologist and physician who also works on front lines treating COVID patients. He has no political axe to grind. He is operating purely on science, fact and evidence.
Oxford University Center for Evidence Based Medicine - Masking Lack of Evidence with Politics
This post was edited on 11/12/20 at 11:58 am
Posted on 11/12/20 at 11:39 am to windshieldman
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As a medic I’ve seen several instances where someone was ejected from vehicle going at a high speed and slamming into other cars. One of them killed a passenger in another car and driver had to be flown out to trauma center. I’ve worked 2 instances where it actually killed people in other cars but a few more where others were just injured. On top of that it keeps you in front of steering wheel when vehicle gets hit at high speed and instead of you being tossed into another area of vehicle and losing complete control you are at least still in driver seat and possible regain control of vehicle
Anecdotal evidence aside, I am going to submit that there exist a negligible number of deaths via "launched non-seat belt wearer"
Posted on 11/12/20 at 11:41 am to ConfusedHawgInMO
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Because when you've been in an accident and have possible internal injuries, whiplash, broken legs, etc. and your car is careening out of control you can keep your hands safely on 10 & 2 and steer out of the way of oncoming traffic... duh.
Yeah, not buying this one either. Not wearing a seat belt is just about the closest thing to an "according to hoyle" victimless crime.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 11:44 am to winkchance
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and the virus is 1 micron.
I used 10 microns arbitrarily just to illustrate that whatever it blocks going out, it blocks going in. I don't know what size it can actually block.
The fact that it is a 1 micron virus that cloth can't block is an additional independent argument against mask mandates.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 11:59 am to MidnightVibe
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Anecdotal evidence aside, I am going to submit that there exist a negligible number of deaths via "launched non-seat belt wearer"
I can only go by what I see from work but it's much more of an impact than just deaths. There's still other injuries that still had an impact on those people. Another thing that's common is secondary wrecks from someone being ejected. People trying to avoid hitting the body and panic only to hit another vehicle. Usually those aren't bad bust still, 2 cars fricked up due to someone not wearing a seatbelt.
Getting into the tying up an ambulance or helicopter in a wreck that everyone who wore a seatbelt walked away unscathed, to we have to tie up an ambulance for the one guy who didn't wear one is another ordeal.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 12:02 pm to RealityTiger
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bullshite. That's exactly WHY people are starting to revolt. Because we have. We all have. And it's gotten us to a point that's actually a little worse than when it all started. So no, we're not just keep blindly following recommendations that are bunk.
And because what signifies then "end" (other than zero cases or a 100% effective cure) is wholly undefined and completely subjective and arbitrary. You're asking society to significantly disrupt life as a whole in order to accomplish an intangible and undefined "goal". I asked the question earlier and will ask it again. Is there a DEFINED level/metric, etc of the virus among society that we are willing to live with? A set level of risk we are willing to accept in order to live life as it was prior to 2020?
ALL we ever hear is that we need to take these measures in order to be "safe"? But they never articulate what is "safe". In this context your definition of "safe" is probably different than my definition of "safe" which is probably different than someone else's definition of "safe", and so on and so on.
I know this might come as a shock to some, but prior to 2020 deadly viruses/diseases existed to which we as a society were at risk. Yet, society as we knew it was able to go on. Now, apparently, NO level of risk is acceptable. Life as we knew it has to be significantly and drastically curtailed to ENTIRELY prevent this risk. And if you disagree with that statement, please tell me what level of risk of Covid-19 is an acceptable amount to return to our pre-2020 way of life. Otherwise, I guess we'll just go on this way until our elected officials tell us it is "safe"
Posted on 11/12/20 at 12:02 pm to MidnightVibe
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Because when you've been in an accident and have possible internal injuries, whiplash, broken legs, etc. and your car is careening out of control you can keep your hands safely on 10 & 2 and steer out of the way of oncoming traffic... duh
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Yeah, not buying this one either
Because every single wreck someone has internal injuries, whiplash, and broken legs. Sometimes cars get clipped going fast and can still cause people to be tossed around in their vehicle while it's still moving, if wearing a seatbelt, they are more likely to still be in driver's seat and maintain control. I mean I've had people on more than one occasion tell me that's exactly what happened, even the ones in same vehicle who were not wearing one and had injuries that backed up their claim.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 1:24 pm to windshieldman
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Because every single wreck someone has internal injuries, whiplash, and broken legs. Sometimes cars get clipped going fast and can still cause people to be tossed around in their vehicle while it's still moving, if wearing a seatbelt, they are more likely to still be in driver's seat and maintain control. I mean I've had people on more than one occasion tell me that's exactly what happened, even the ones in same vehicle who were not wearing one and had injuries that backed up their claim.
I'm not sure how to say "that's a terrible argument" in a different, or nicer way.
You would need to show examples of a collision where the driver, as a result, was unable to control the vehicle and that he would have been able to control it had he been wearing a safety belt. You have listed whiplash, broken legs, internal injuries as things that would happen when not wearing a seat belt that wouldn't happen when wearing a seat belt. As a starting point, those claims are from absolute. People get various injuries while wearing a seat belt all the time.
But above and beyond that, you would need for the specific injury to render that person unable to control the vehicle. The examples listed fall wildly short. You can control a vehicle after whiplash. You can control a vehicle after breaking a leg or arm. You can control a vehicle after internal injuries. Not for a long time, but for a few seconds.
You then also need a second collision to happen after the first collision. Which of course wouldn't have happened if the driver could have controlled the vehicle. Which they would have been able to do had they been wearing a seat belt.
And you're saying this happens how often?
So, yeah, without the fainest intent of dickishness, it's a terrible, tenuous argument.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 1:28 pm to MidnightVibe
The fact there is a seatbelt law, but motorcycles are legal is so funny
"No no citizen, daddy govt says you must wear a seatbelt for your safety. Oh, you wanna ride a two wheel open air death trap at 70mph? Go right ahead"
"No no citizen, daddy govt says you must wear a seatbelt for your safety. Oh, you wanna ride a two wheel open air death trap at 70mph? Go right ahead"
This post was edited on 11/12/20 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 11/12/20 at 1:43 pm to IAmNERD
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Imagine putting all your faith in the government
I've been to the DMV and have dealt with the USPS. I've seen enough of their work to know better.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 2:23 pm to MidnightVibe
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You have listed whiplash, broken legs, internal injuries as things that would happen when not wearing a seat belt that wouldn't happen when wearing a seat belt.
I was commenting about the other poster you replied to sarcastic remarks
This post was edited on 11/12/20 at 2:37 pm
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