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re: The CDC's "updated guidelines" on masks
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:03 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:03 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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Goodness. LOL.
Nature doesn't lie
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Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:04 am to SloaneRanger
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In the metro area where I live, mask use is pretty universal, at least indoors.
Here in Calcasieu, it’s more hit or miss. Some places, 50-75%. I was indoors earlier this week where I was the only person wearing a mask.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:05 am to MidnightVibe
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They're like seat belt laws for viruses.
I hate to get off topic from the OP but seatbelts also save other people not just yourself.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:05 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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Here in Calcasieu, it’s more hit or miss. Some places, 50-75%. I was indoors earlier this week where I was the only person wearing a mask.
Sounds like they should have 50-75% fewer cases than they did back at the start of summer before anyone was wearing masks.
I am sure this is the case correct?
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:05 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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I also believe it could have already come to fruition if people weren’t so stupid.
Define fruition.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:06 am to windshieldman
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but seatbelts also save other people not just yourself.
How so?
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:07 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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But I will still take practical precautions to protect myself, my family, and the rest of society.
And THAT is the argument. What if "society" is not asking you to "protect" them?
If you want to continue wearing a mask, by all means do so. But I (in a general sense) am not asking, or, more importantly, EXPECTING you to protect me. I FULLY understand there is a risk of me contracting the virus. But, it is one I am willing to accept in exchange for living life a certain way. LIFE inherently has risk. We, try as we might, can't prevent death. We all (or at least we use to) perform our own risk assessments on a daily basis.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:09 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
Mask charts.
no appreciable difference.
https://tomwoods.com/covid/
lots of good visuals/data at Tom's covid page
no appreciable difference.
https://tomwoods.com/covid/
lots of good visuals/data at Tom's covid page
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:09 am to MidnightVibe
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How so?
As a medic I’ve seen several instances where someone was ejected from vehicle going at a high speed and slamming into other cars. One of them killed a passenger in another car and driver had to be flown out to trauma center. I’ve worked 2 instances where it actually killed people in other cars but a few more where others were just injured. On top of that it keeps you in front of steering wheel when vehicle gets hit at high speed and instead of you being tossed into another area of vehicle and losing complete control you are at least still in driver seat and possible regain control of vehicle
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:10 am to Alt26
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And THAT is the argument. What if "society" is not asking you to "protect" them?
If you want to continue wearing a mask, by all means do so. But I (in a general sense) am not asking, or, more importantly, EXPECTING you to protect me. I FULLY understand there is a risk of me contracting the virus. But, it is one I am willing to accept in exchange for living life a certain way. LIFE inherently has risk. We, try as we might, can't prevent death. We all (or at least we use to) perform our own risk assessments on a daily basis.
But who are you to make that decision for everyone else? Screaming for 100% reopen while also blindly opposing protective measures is counterintuitive.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:12 am to MidnightVibe
Multiple layers of cloth filter 50% of particles that are 1 micron in diameter?
I'm gonna call BS on that. 1 micron is really, really, reeeeeaally small. 2 layers of woven cotton are not catching anything that small. It just isn't.
I'm gonna call BS on that. 1 micron is really, really, reeeeeaally small. 2 layers of woven cotton are not catching anything that small. It just isn't.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:14 am to TheFlyingTiger
I am a Republican.....and know a little bit about science. But carry on
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:15 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
quote:No one is saying don't wear a mask. It will protect you. SO wear one.
eaming for 100% reopen while also blindly opposing protective measures is counterintuitive.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:17 am to Volvagia
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bullshite
Double bullshite because people in Dallas and Collin are wearing masks. Enough that if masks did a damn thing this outbreak should not be happening.
Restaurants are truly the only place not worn, every person in a retail environment is wearing one.
The masks we are wearing are preventing nothing, at best a slight decrease in catching it and that would be a freak incident. Masks are pointless for COVID, it is going to do what it wants to do.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:17 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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But who are you to make that decision for everyone else? Screaming for 100% reopen while also blindly opposing protective measures is counterintuitive.
He isn’t making a decision for everyone else. Everyone has the option of wearing a mask and wrapping themselves in bubble wrap if they so choose.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:22 am to WaydownSouth
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He isn’t making a decision for everyone else. Everyone has the option of wearing a mask and wrapping themselves in bubble wrap if they so choose.
And this is why it’s pointless to enter this debate. Yet I still do it. Learn, me.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:22 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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But who are you to make that decision for everyone else?
I'm not making that decision for everyone else. If you want to continue to wear a mask, curtail (or eliminate) public outings, etc, then do so.
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Screaming for 100% reopen while also blindly opposing protective measures is counterintuitive.
No one is advocating BANNING the wearing of mask, or you practicing social distancing, etc, etc. If you and your family want to take increased protective measures, then by all means do so. The issue is mandating that everyone take that SAME degree of protective measures even if they are willing to accept a higher degree of risk than others.
That kind of dovetails into the OP. If, according to the CDC, masks protect the person wearing it then it goes against the argument that has been touted for months that you are doing it to protect others, not yourself. That is, you can continue to take measures to protect yourself while allowing others to conduct their own daily risk assessments.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:23 am to MidnightVibe
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How so?
Because when you've been in an accident and have possible internal injuries, whiplash, broken legs, etc. and your car is careening out of control you can keep your hands safely on 10 & 2 and steer out of the way of oncoming traffic... duh.
This post was edited on 11/12/20 at 10:37 am
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:31 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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Because armchair scientists oversimplify a formula with a multitude of variables.
Because the DoD has conducted extensive research and testing of materials and methods for contructing "field expedient" respirators as well as testing them against available COTS products like 3M N95 masks and has been doing this work since well over a decade ago. I know you have no clue such information exists but I'll let you in on why it probably hasn't been widely spread in the public sphere and it's because such masks have very poor performance such that, in the worst cases, are only about 3% more effective than nothing at all and that's with new materials and masks that have not been subjected to the degradation of frequent use. Don't talk about "armchair scientists" when your own understanding of the applicable science is dismal at best.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:35 am to Kimist
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If people would just follow the recommendations, this would be closer to being over.
Imagine putting all your faith in the government and their recommendations then telling all others they are ignorant. How elitist of you...
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