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re: The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - Animated
Posted on 7/21/23 at 10:04 pm to Damone
Posted on 7/21/23 at 10:04 pm to Damone
You are borderline retarded lol. The French and British were spent by early 1918. Russia had capitulated and the Germans were beginning to move nearly 1 million soldiers from the east to the western front. They had thrown everything they had at the Germans and could not break their lines. The Germans could not break the allies lines either but the Spring offensive of 1918 would have changed history had the US not been there to offset the new influx of German soldiers. As for the claim that Russia won WW2 is laughable, the ONLY reason they weren’t overrun by the Summer of 41’ was poor logistics by the Germans. The was only one power during WW2 that could muster two invasion forces simultaneously the size of the one invading Normandy thousands of miles apart was the US not Russia. They were also taking on two military powers on three separate continents not one enemy on one front who had to divide its forces. You do realize the Germans were fighting the British at the same time in Africa, at sea, and in the air? Not to mention having to cover for Italy’s screw ups. The US was virtually fighting the Japanese alone in the Pacific along with the Germans
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Posted on 7/21/23 at 10:19 pm to PetermanFanClub
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We wouldn’t do this today. I’m a proud American, but I don’t think dropping the bombs was morally justified.
This is the proof of why your argument is wrong.
In 2023, with our technological advances and the changes to our morays and ethics, you are correct that we would not drop an atomic bomb to end a war today.
But in 1945, after four years of World
War, knowing that we had a weapon so devastating that it could be used to stop that war and in effect save millions of lives - I’d argue that it would have been morally wrong not to do so.
As an isolated incident without context, the dropping of the bombs is certainly a horrific part of human history.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 12:10 am to Mo Jeaux
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What are your thoughts on General Sherman?
LINK
A war criminal, like Grant, a few other Union generals, and Lincoln?
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“ Union Terror is a cutting-edge book for our day.
Drawing from his vast real-world background as the senior legal advisor for the U.S. Army Special Forces, Professor Addicott not only pulls back the curtain on the Union’s command approved use of terror tactics against Southern civilians during the American Civil War, he also persuasively rebuts all the fallacious justifications proffered to excuse the widespread war-crimes committed by the chief purveyor, William T. Sherman.
In this he has done us all – educators, the military, and the wider public – a great service in detailing the necessity to apply these key historical lessons so that such despicable violations of the rule of law are never repeated.”
-Major General Alfred A. Valenzuela (U. S. Army, Ret.)
Jeffrey F. Addicott is a Professor of Law and the Director of the Warrior Defense Project at St. Mary’s University School of Law, San Antonio, Texas, where he teaches a variety of courses to include National Security Law and Terrorism Law. An active duty Army officer in the Judge Advocate General's Corps for twenty years (he retired in 2000 at the rank of Lieutenant Colonel), Professor Addicott spent a quarter of his career as the senior legal advisor to the United States Army’s Special Forces. An internationally recognized authority in terrorism law and the law of war, Professor Addicott not only lectures and participates in professional and academic organizations both in the United States and overseas; he is also a frequent contributor to national and international media outlets.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 12:15 am to Mo Jeaux
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A war crime.
All wars are crimes, Leo.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 12:15 am to lsusa
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This is the proof of why your argument is wrong.
I struggle with this for sure. I admire and deeply sympathize with President Truman and the gut wrenching, life and death decision he made. I'm convinced that he believed he was making the right decision. I also believe he was a fine man.
However, I struggle with the destruction of so many innocent lives in an instant. They were almost all noncombatants.
I'll ponder this forever. Maybe there is no definitive right or wrong.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 12:33 am to PetermanFanClub
Get a grip man. It was the lesser of two evils. How is it more honorable to send tens of thousands of American troops to die in a mainland assault? Japan has only themselves to blame.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 5:57 am to sta4ever
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If only we used Fat Man on Moscow…
Someone along with a few others failed WW2 history.
(Moscow was instrumental in defeating Hitler… but I get it, CNN wants you to think Putin is literally Hitler)
Posted on 7/22/23 at 6:15 am to TaderSalad
He is alluding to many Americans felt (and did for years after) that we shouldn’t have stopped at Berlin, we should have rolled on to Moscow (as Patton said)
That we should have attacked Russia while they were depleted to kill the communists off and end the Cold War before it began.
That we should have attacked Russia while they were depleted to kill the communists off and end the Cold War before it began.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 6:21 am to Mo Jeaux
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A war crime.
Don’t start no shite, won’t be no shite.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 6:22 am to The Egg
We need more threads like this one instead of asking us if we are bedwetters or about Magic Johnson’s dick daughter
Posted on 7/22/23 at 6:39 am to SpotCheckBilly
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Bless your heart, you're stupid.
I second this ! Dude is one of the Dems on the board and seems to hate America. Probably loves "The View" though.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 7:39 am to Mo Jeaux
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A war crime.
Killing 150k in both bombings likely saved millions of lives from both sides if an actual invasion of Japan needed to happen. Plus another year of war.
Go look at the causality rates from Okinawa and Iwo Jima. As well as the civilian death rates of those battles.
Even after the bombs were dropped Japan still took 5 days and a failed coup before it agreed to surrender. And I think we only had enough material for a third bomb….
Posted on 7/22/23 at 7:42 am to tigeraddict
An Lemay says “hold my beer”. His fire bombing raids killed more civilians then the two atomic bomb attacks
Also, war crimes only befall on the losers of war…..
Also, war crimes only befall on the losers of war…..
Posted on 7/22/23 at 7:47 am to PetermanFanClub
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However, I struggle with the destruction of so many innocent lives in an instant.
Would you have preferred a slower death rate with a land invasion that has a much higher body count?
I don't see why you drag things on when you can end a war almost instantly.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 9:10 am to LongueCarabine
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Both cities were centers of industry. Hiroshima was textiles and Nagasaki was steel.
This. If folks were saying the firebombing of cities, from literally going down a list in an almanac, was a war crime, then maybe, but those two targets were not a war crime.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 9:14 am to Tortious
Sure they were.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 9:26 am to Mo Jeaux
They were but who gives a frick. Stop trying to be nuanced and go read a fricking book about how terrible the Japanese were at the time. If we had more we should've dropped more.
This post was edited on 7/22/23 at 9:27 am
Posted on 7/22/23 at 9:27 am to tigeraddict
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An Lemay says “hold my beer”.
Lemay and the Bomber Mafia were the kings of "war crimes" in the Pacific Theater. There are war crimes and then there are war crimes. Existential threats generally change the meaning of many of them in most people's minds. If you commit them just make sure you win.
There are a lot of people arguing now that cluster munitions are a war crime mainly because it is politically expedient. Definitions are bent and broken depending on the way the wind is blowing.
I hate we (humans) ever discovered the ability to build nuclear weapons but dropping them almost certainly saved lives and it also demonstrated to everyone they work and are devastating which probably enhances the ability for MAD to work. Sometimes you actually have to see something to believe it.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 9:29 am to rintintin
Ok.
Posted on 7/22/23 at 9:50 am to Mo Jeaux
My sister's middle school kids have a better grasp on history than several of these dunces. How does one arrive at adulthood only to have the intellect of a kindergartener, and why the hell would one put his ignorance on full display for all to see? Mental illness? Help me out here.
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