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Posted on 7/21/23 at 7:39 pm to Damone
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France won WWI on the battlefield and Russia won WWII
Oh for frick's sake.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 7:40 pm to Mo Jeaux
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What was Pearl Harbor?
An attack on a military target. ?
If you attack someone unprovoked, I'm sorry but you get what you get, war crimes be damned. Japan was an atrocity at that time, and the rest of Asia thanks us for those bombs more than anyone else.
But as another poster said, we gave them ample warning, but the Japanese during that Era were so fanatical for their country they wouldn't have left if we told them the exact date and time it was to be dropped.
This post was edited on 7/21/23 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 7/21/23 at 7:41 pm to Damone
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Yep, there was no need to drop it other than as a show of force to Russia. Japan didn’t even surrender as a result of the bombs, it surrendered to the US after Russia invaded to avoid succumbing to Soviet rule. Not to mention the fact that in the lead up to Hiroshima, the US intentionally gave peace terms it knew Japan could never accept.
I disagree - I think the Soviet’s declaring war is a bit of revisionist history rationalized after the fact. Japan’s war aims since 1941 never changed - it was always a negotiated peace. Humanity on all sides had long left the building and in terms of atrocious actions by 1945, the bomb was just a continuation. It was total war.
After VE Day, the US appetite for war was quickly waning- we were looking for a knockout blow and the bomb was it. After Iwo Jima and Okinawa, we would have had to go house by house, tunnel by tunnel to win the war on mainland Japan. It would have made Stalingrad look like a cakewalk.
If you had a son that was killed in the invasion of Japan, and it came to be known that Truman had the Ace (a-bomb) that made an invasion unnecessary, how would you feel? Multiply that by the million other casualties. Quite honestly, I don’t think our democracy survives that scenario.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 7:43 pm to Mo Jeaux
"war crime"
Yea, nobody ever drops a bomb on an enemy during a war.
I guess you would have invaded Japan. That would have lead to 2,000,000 US casualties and 50 to 100,000,000 japanese deaths.
Yea, nobody ever drops a bomb on an enemy during a war.
I guess you would have invaded Japan. That would have lead to 2,000,000 US casualties and 50 to 100,000,000 japanese deaths.
This post was edited on 7/21/23 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 7/21/23 at 7:44 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Look< do whatever mental gymnastics you have to do. We deliberately targeted civilians. We did. It was calculated. Great, it worked out. It (May have) saved lives. Ok. I’m fine with that. But we deliberately killed civilians. Just as we (and others) have done throughout history.
Both cities were centers of industry. Hiroshima was textiles and Nagasaki was steel.
Welcome to modern industrialized warfare, it’s only been around well over 100 years.
This post was edited on 7/21/23 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 7/21/23 at 7:44 pm to Damone
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France won WWI
France and Britain could not have launched a counteroffensive in the summer of 1918 without the two million fresh American soldiers who were now in the trenches of the Western Front. Tens of thousands more were arriving every day.
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Russia won WWII
Russia could not have accomplished what they did on the Eastern Front without Britain remaining in the war after the fall of France in 1940 and the United States supplying the Russians with important necessities through Lend-Lease.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 7:45 pm to mtntiger
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What was Pearl Harbor?
Or the Bataan Death March.
Or any treatment of POWs by the Japanese.
Or biological warfare
Medical experimentation
The rape of Nanking
War is hell.
We fought to end that one.
We did end it.
Japan became a US ally.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 7:46 pm to tigerfan 64
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We fought to end that one.
We did end it.
That was the last one we actually fought to win/end.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 7:46 pm to Damone
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Back to Back World War CHAMPS
France won WWI on the battlefield and Russia won WWII
Yep they were both lucky enough to be on our side at those times. They would have lost if they were on other side of us.
Sorry you hate American Power
Posted on 7/21/23 at 7:49 pm to The Egg
Grave of the Fireflies will frick you up.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 7:49 pm to LongueCarabine
They started it we ended it. End of story in my opinion.
We were training the guys still in Europe to go to the pacific to fight a second war in the jungle. We would have lost so many more of our guys had we not done it. We didn’t pick the fight. It saved our guys from a horrid enemy under horrid conditions. But the only way to make them stop was to use drastic measures. An invasion would have led to every man/woman/child trying to kill our guys. Honestly both sides probably saved lives by it ending that way.
Do I like that we killed civilians? Hell no. But in an invasion it would have been much higher. When your dealing with an enemy like that who doesn’t care about death, there is no easy answer.
We were training the guys still in Europe to go to the pacific to fight a second war in the jungle. We would have lost so many more of our guys had we not done it. We didn’t pick the fight. It saved our guys from a horrid enemy under horrid conditions. But the only way to make them stop was to use drastic measures. An invasion would have led to every man/woman/child trying to kill our guys. Honestly both sides probably saved lives by it ending that way.
Do I like that we killed civilians? Hell no. But in an invasion it would have been much higher. When your dealing with an enemy like that who doesn’t care about death, there is no easy answer.
This post was edited on 7/21/23 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 7/21/23 at 7:55 pm to The Egg
More than 200,000 dead and thousands more wounded. Vast majority are civilians. We wouldn’t do this today.
I’m a proud American, but I don’t think dropping the bombs was morally justified.
I still revere and honor those that fought and our leaders who had responsibility for the common good.
Peace!
I’m a proud American, but I don’t think dropping the bombs was morally justified.
I still revere and honor those that fought and our leaders who had responsibility for the common good.
Peace!
Posted on 7/21/23 at 7:56 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Look< do whatever mental gymnastics you have to do. We deliberately targeted civilians. We did. It was calculated. Great, it worked out. It (May have) saved lives. Ok. I’m fine with that. But we deliberately killed civilians. Just as we (and others) have done throughout history.
Why bring it up with what you thought was some provocative comment of "war crime"?
You think you're being different and nuanced when you're just spewing some trope you read from some nerds on the internet.
The reality is Japan was a fricking imperialistic menace at the time and were committing atrocities throughout Asia. They aren't a victim, they were a disease at the time that needed to be eradicated.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 8:01 pm to bott18240
The bombs were not dropped on the most populous locations. The bombs saved many lives. If the Japanese did not see the incredible might of the US military, they would not have surrendered down to the very last man, woman, and child.
Hiroshima was also very important from a military perspective since it was home to the 2nd Army Headquarters, which were responsible for the defense of southern Japan. It was an important center of storage, communications, and assembly of soldiers.
Democrats live in a false reality.
Hiroshima was also very important from a military perspective since it was home to the 2nd Army Headquarters, which were responsible for the defense of southern Japan. It was an important center of storage, communications, and assembly of soldiers.
Democrats live in a false reality.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 8:03 pm to PetermanFanClub
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More than 200,000 dead and thousands more wounded. Vast majority are civilians. We wouldn’t do this today.
What to you think those numbers would have looked like if we hadn’t done it?? Just civilians. Not counting our soldiers and theirs. Once again, fighting an enemy like that, they would have died till the last person standing to defend their sacred country and emperor. That was their mentality.
By late July, the JCS was forecasting 500,000 casualties at the high end and 100,000 at the low end. In late July 1945, the War Department provided an estimate that the entire Downfall operations would cause between 1.7 to 4 million U.S. casualties, including 400-800,000 U.S. dead, and 5 to 10 million Japanese dead.Jan
This post was edited on 7/21/23 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 7/21/23 at 8:40 pm to bott18240
I lot of us wouldn’t have been born if not for those bombs
Posted on 7/21/23 at 8:40 pm to The Egg
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The Operations Room continuing to be the absolute best channel on YouTube.
It really is. I know it’s hard but I wish they did more
Posted on 7/21/23 at 8:42 pm to PetermanFanClub
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but I don’t think dropping the bombs was morally justified.
Neither would a million Allied deaths and millions more Japanese while invading Japan.
Posted on 7/21/23 at 8:45 pm to The Egg
Thanks that was a good watch.
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