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re: The Abu Ghraib prison was pretty messed up

Posted on 11/5/17 at 11:50 pm to
Posted by Flame Salamander
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 11/5/17 at 11:50 pm to
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War is hell broham.


But the US prison guards can't even use that as an excuse because they never saw any action and were entirely behind the scenes in a fricking detention center.

These were spoiled little psychos play acting out their sick fantasies.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
151092 posts
Posted on 11/5/17 at 11:50 pm to
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Get the info you need out of them by any means necessary.
and the majority of research done has shown that torture does not really work
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/5/17 at 11:51 pm to
It was wrong and there is no getting around it.
Posted by chappaslappa
Member since Feb 2010
1254 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 12:12 am to
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Don't get me wrong, it wasn't great, but you should check out Locked Up Abroad.


The treatment of an Australian drug smuggler in a Bangladeshi prison totally justifies the United States military raping, torturing, and killing prisoners of war!

Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
17248 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 12:19 am to
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Apparently some completely dehumanizing and humiliating things were done to the prisoners


You have no idea what dehumanizing and humiliating means, if Abu Ghraib is your definition.

Abe Ghraib is a fricking vacation home to the vermin locked up in there. GTFO with your wikipedia bullshite.
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
19448 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 12:23 am to
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You have no idea what dehumanizing and humiliating means, if Abu Ghraib is your definition.



Yes, the pictures in the linked article show dehumanizing and humiliating acts. I don't see how it can be spun any other way. The pictures are right there.
Posted by LesMiles BFF
Lafayette
Member since May 2014
5101 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 12:27 am to
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Yes, the pictures in the linked article show dehumanizing and humiliating acts. I don't see how it can be spun any other way. The pictures are right there.


But those pictures are of people he doesn’t like so it’s totally justified. Simple logic.
Posted by chappaslappa
Member since Feb 2010
1254 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 12:29 am to
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You have no idea what dehumanizing and humiliating means, if Abu Ghraib is your definition.


Okay, so then indulge us.

And how exactly does that make any of this okay?
"Well its not the worst thing to ever happen to anybody. You should have seen the kind of torture going on 1000 years ago when Atilla the Hun and the Vikings and those kind of people were running around invading people."

That totally justifies everything
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
19448 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 12:34 am to
Yeah, that's faulty logic for sure.


Interesting enough, Charles Graner, the ringleader of the operation, knocked up Lynndie England. He didn't want anything to do with the baby and she raises it now. He ended up marrying another different prison guard who was torturing people at Abu Ghraib as well. There was some weird sexual fetishism going on there. All these guards banging each other and sticking things in prisoners asses and making them felate each other. Really unsettling to think about
This post was edited on 11/6/17 at 12:36 am
Posted by LesMiles BFF
Lafayette
Member since May 2014
5101 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 12:34 am to
I’m glad Obama never released the photos at the time. There would have been a mass uprising and our soldiers would have been attacked with even more spite than normal.
Posted by LesMiles BFF
Lafayette
Member since May 2014
5101 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 12:35 am to
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There was some weird sexual fetishism going on there that they were acting out on the prisoners


I never knew about the homosexual acts they were forced to perform.

Disgusting.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
21042 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 12:54 am to
Cant believe those stupid asses took pictures of all that. Asking to get caught.

The sexual stuff is very weird, I am all for traditional torture techniques for these POSs though, they are terrorist and should be treated as such. That being said a lot of that looks to be done just to frick with them instead of trying to obtain info.

Also those muzzy fricks have most likely sucked, fricked and been fricked by other men, boys and goats many a time .

To a lot of Muslim men they look at women for procreation and boys for pleasure, sick pedo fricks.
This post was edited on 11/6/17 at 12:59 am
Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
17248 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 12:55 am to
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Yes, the pictures in the linked article show dehumanizing and humiliating acts. I don't see how it can be spun any other way. The pictures are right there.



Of course it's humiliating. Humiliation is an effective tool, especially to people inflicted with toxic masculinity.

The prisoners there did more humiliating things to the guards on a regular basis. But, that's not part of the narrative, is it?
Posted by LesMiles BFF
Lafayette
Member since May 2014
5101 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 12:58 am to
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The sexual stuff is very weird, I am all for traditional torture techniques for these POSs though, they are terrorist and should be treated as such


Actually, there were regular prisoners there as well. Basically prisoners of war and people that had committed crimes.

I actually think that little chick in the pictures was ribbed on to pose with the prisoners and she got a harsh sentence if I remember correctly.


And I’m not one that believes in torture. Hell, even our normal everyday LEO in the United States make mistakes and arrest the wrong person. Can you imagine how many wrongly arrested civilians there were during a war? We didn’t make many friends over there by raping them.
This post was edited on 11/6/17 at 1:00 am
Posted by LesMiles BFF
Lafayette
Member since May 2014
5101 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 12:59 am to
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The prisoners there did more humiliating things to the guards on a regular basis. But, that's not part of the narrative, is it?




Dude, say what you will but even the military condemned these soldiers. No need for you to look like an idiot and defend them.
Posted by chappaslappa
Member since Feb 2010
1254 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 1:00 am to
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The prisoners there did more humiliating things to the guards on a regular basis. But, that's not part of the narrative, is it?


Like what?
Posted by TheIndulger
Member since Sep 2011
19448 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 1:01 am to
I'm interested to see what a prisoner could possibly do to his captor to humiliate him
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
21042 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 1:02 am to
I though Abu G was only for certified terrorist caught on the battle field? Like Gitmo but for foot soldier instead of the high ups like Gitmo.

Posted by LesMiles BFF
Lafayette
Member since May 2014
5101 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 1:17 am to
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I though Abu G was only for certified terrorist caught on the battle field?


I thought I read otherwise. Let me do a little reading

ETA: this is from the Wikipedia link in the OP

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Three categories of prisoners were imprisoned at Abu Ghraib by the U.S. military. These were "common criminals," individuals suspected of being leaders of the insurgency, and individuals suspected of committing crimes against the occupational force led by the U.S


But you have to ask yourself, if these were people captured in their own country, are they “terrorist” or prisoners of war?
This post was edited on 11/6/17 at 1:20 am
Posted by MadDoggyStyle
Member since Feb 2012
3857 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 2:03 am to
No one was beheaded with a dull carving knife so I guess my outrage is in check.
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