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re: That Mount Everest traffic jam last May and the eleven dead bodies
Posted on 12/5/19 at 2:56 pm to McLemore
Posted on 12/5/19 at 2:56 pm to McLemore
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I love mountains and snow and cold and pushing myself and adventure and risk, but why anyone would ever want to do that shite is beyond me. Doesn't even look like good outdoor fun any more.
It's not. At that altitude and condition, your body is literally dying at the top. I'm working on climbing my first multi-pitch and yeah it's dangerous, but at least your body was kind of meant to do it.
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Posted on 12/5/19 at 3:06 pm to Jcorye1
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At that altitude and condition, your body is literally dying at the top.
Yeah, you can't live at close to those altitudes. You have to get up and down before your body quits and/or weather hits.
If you read about it, there are stories about how the brain's functioning is significantly impaired due to lack of oxygen.
The only reason to do it is to say you did. Actually doing it is basically starting the process of death and hoping you can pull out of it in time.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 3:33 pm to ninthward
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High altitude, its a bitch.
It is an fat, ugly, Hillary Clinton clone bitch. There are medical conditions that can be triggered by high altitude that can kill you even if you get treatment.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 3:34 pm to real turf fan
I'm glad I was able to do all my alpine climbing before the tourism era took full hold. Watching the current lines on Everest I get some sort of delayed PTSD and I start to fidget and literally feel short of breath.
My wife and I were watching some footage an old climbing partner had sent me of his son on Denali earlier this year. I caught her staring at me and when I looked at her she said: "you want to go back don't you". I replied, "yeah but frick no".
On a more grimly funny note, Everest would be World Star central if people just had enough energy to fight.
My wife and I were watching some footage an old climbing partner had sent me of his son on Denali earlier this year. I caught her staring at me and when I looked at her she said: "you want to go back don't you". I replied, "yeah but frick no".
On a more grimly funny note, Everest would be World Star central if people just had enough energy to fight.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 3:36 pm to real turf fan
Everest is one of the unique opportunities in the world and worthy of anyone able to make the climb. To be one of those few, you must be willing to give the summit the opportunity to kill you. To hold any other attitude means you were a fool in an expert's endeavor.
Some commented "you see a frozen guy and you have a pick ax" indicating why they could not understand why anyone would be left up there.
The fact is, getting to the top is an accomplishment only a few can achieve. To get back down is an even tougher trial for any climber who attempts it. Anyone who fails to understand if they die in the dead zone, that will be the place they will remain, is a fool. They deserve to die, because Everest will kill you, and they deserve to remain where they died, because that is how attempting the summit works. Not all who try make it. Some of them die trying. Successful summiteers may get back down, or they may die on the trail.
Surely everyone who wants to summit the mountain knows that. I am not one, and I know it. It you have tons of money and pay a guide to go with you to the summit and you die, it is not their fault. You should have known before leaving base camp it was not your thing.
Maybe the day will come when we learn how to go up into a death zone and remove bodies of dead fools and accomplished, skilled, failures. Until then we owe them the respect of admitting folks die trying to summit Everest.
shite happens. Sometimes it just be that way.
Some commented "you see a frozen guy and you have a pick ax" indicating why they could not understand why anyone would be left up there.
The fact is, getting to the top is an accomplishment only a few can achieve. To get back down is an even tougher trial for any climber who attempts it. Anyone who fails to understand if they die in the dead zone, that will be the place they will remain, is a fool. They deserve to die, because Everest will kill you, and they deserve to remain where they died, because that is how attempting the summit works. Not all who try make it. Some of them die trying. Successful summiteers may get back down, or they may die on the trail.
Surely everyone who wants to summit the mountain knows that. I am not one, and I know it. It you have tons of money and pay a guide to go with you to the summit and you die, it is not their fault. You should have known before leaving base camp it was not your thing.
Maybe the day will come when we learn how to go up into a death zone and remove bodies of dead fools and accomplished, skilled, failures. Until then we owe them the respect of admitting folks die trying to summit Everest.
shite happens. Sometimes it just be that way.
This post was edited on 12/5/19 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 12/5/19 at 3:45 pm to real turf fan
The starting price for a trip up Mt. Everest is $60,000. That covers the permit from the Nepalese government, basic gear and guides. Who would spend that amount of money on such a risky adventure?
Posted on 12/5/19 at 3:47 pm to Kentucker
We humans will attempt to commercialize any and everything. I can't wait for the scuba lines and boat jams at the Mariana Trench in a few years.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 3:54 pm to LSUBoo
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sources telling the BBC that there were simply not enough officials on the mountain to manage the crowd.
This is stupid. Above 26000 feet your body is dying every moment you're up there. It's not like you can place people (officials) at that altitude to monitor people.
1) The official would die and
2) The official's mind would be as foggy and unclear as the climbers
Posted on 12/5/19 at 3:58 pm to Kentucker
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Who would spend that amount of money on such a risky adventure?
You'd be surprised. In one of the documentaries one of the guys was a former postal worker and he saved enogh money to try it twice.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 4:03 pm to Anaximander
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There are medical conditions that can be triggered by high altitude that can kill you even if you get treatment.
The primary killers are HAPE (high altitude pulmonary edema) and HACE (high altitude cerebral edema). The best treatment is getting down the mountain quickly but often that isn't possible. If the LLama or Squirrels can't fly or aren't available life can be rough. Dex and Ace (Dexamethasone Acetazolamide) are usually available which helps especially with HACE.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 4:19 pm to VABuckeye
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This is stupid. Above 26000 feet your body is dying every moment you're up there. It's not like you can place people (officials) at that altitude to monitor people.
1) The official would die and
2) The official's mind would be as foggy and unclear as the climbers
Never underestimate our ability to blame someone else.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 4:19 pm to Anaximander
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Beck Weathers
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what an a-hole he was
Yep and he has a penis for a nose now to prove it.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 4:30 pm to shankedshot
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To be one of those few, you must be willing to give the summit the opportunity to kill you.
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It you have tons of money and pay a guide to go with you to the summit and you die, it is not their fault.
See, that's where I think things go wrong. The commercial system has enabled too many people to summit with help from guides and oxygen.
Everest used to self select. The only people who could summit had to have that ability come from years, if not decades of work.
Now, you get wealthy people training for 6 months, throwing money in and thinking they can. In some cases, they do, because the support system is very advanced. But when they're up there, they don't know their limits or respect the mountain because they didn't have to earn it.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 4:36 pm to Ingeniero
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I'm currently reading a book written by a guy who climbed Everest and had crew members not make it down.
If you are reading Krakauer's "Into Thin Air" when you finish it up read Anatoli Boukreev's "The Climb". It is in part a response to Jon's claims in Into Thin Air. It is shorter and not as well written but it gives you a more complete picture of the 1996 Everest events.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 4:51 pm to real turf fan
Where would a man poop in such a mountain climbing situation? edit: If you're in the line of people like in the pic posted upthread.
This post was edited on 12/5/19 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 12/5/19 at 4:59 pm to real turf fan
So I should definitely go this next year when the deaths even out?
This post was edited on 12/5/19 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 12/5/19 at 5:46 pm to White Bear
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Where would a man poop in such a mountain climbing situation? edit: If you're in the line of people like in the pic posted upthread.
First, it is rare you need to shite while actually climbing, in fact you don't shite much at all at high altitude. You don't eat much fiber and your body is doing everything it can to extract every calorie out of what you do eat, you spend most of the time pretty near being dehydrated if not actually dehydrated and you simply hate to eat.
Outside of folding over poop pains that won't subside you will just work through it.
To poop inline (nobody cares at that point if they see you poop, pee or just sit down and cry) you are going to have to unzip your 8000-meter suit (think down coveralls - they have zippers for ease of crapping and peeing). You are going to have to work the zipper around your harness. Once you get your now freezing arse exposed you are going to poop in a bag as quickly as humanly possible, which means you will poop in about a minute or give up. You would have to do this while ties to other people on a snowy ridgeline.
Bottom line I have never had to crap when actually (alpine) climbing, crapping at altitude is usually a PITA even when not climbing.
Posted on 12/5/19 at 5:50 pm to Obtuse1
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Anatoli Boukreev
I'll take his account of what happened any day over the pussy that decided to stay in his tent and get warm while Boukreez went out and saved people.
This post was edited on 12/5/19 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 12/5/19 at 5:53 pm to NYNolaguy1
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There should be some sort of mountain qualification before attempting everest. Too many people with more money than climbing skills.
frick no. We already have too many ‘in the way’ people... let them eliminate themselves.
We can also start sinking cruise ships in the gulf. 3000 ppl a pop. All of a sudden, lanes will start opening up on the freeway... it’ll be glorious
Got these ideas from bill burr
Posted on 12/5/19 at 5:56 pm to White Bear
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Where would a man poop in such a mountain climbing situation?
Good question.
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That morning a Taiwanese climber, Chen Yu-Nan, emerged from his tent on the Lhotse face. The sun would have been warming his body after a cold night on the steep slope. I imagine he may have yawned and stretched taking in the view of the Western Cwm spread out below him. The mountains would have been glistening gold and orange.
I hope he was able to admire the sight before him because seconds later he would be tumbling down the face.
Chen failed to clip into the fixed ropes and was not wearing his crampons. His foot slipped on the ice and that slight loss of balance on a 40 degree slope was fatal. He could not regain himself and within seconds he was plummeting down the Lhotse face at incredible speed.
His body bounced and rolled down the slope before plummeting into a crevasse. It had arrested his fall and stopped him from plunging the full 600 metres down the face.
His Sherpa descended rapidly to reach him and hauled Chen out of the crevasse. Incredibly they got him back up into Camp 3. It seemed like a lucky escape.
Chen would remain in his tent to recover while his team leader, Makalu Gau, would continue. But Chen’s injuries were serious. The fall had most likely burst internal organs and he was in a serious medical condition. Members of the IMAX team came to his aid. Despite their efforts he died hours later, the first casualty of the Everest climbing season in 1996.
What is believed to have happened is that Chen went outside to take a dump and didn't put on his crampons. While he was squatting taking a dump he slipped and off the mountain went Chen.
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