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re: Texas bill: under 18 banned from social media
Posted on 5/1/25 at 6:04 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Posted on 5/1/25 at 6:04 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Describe how this is anti democracy when it is a change than was voted on by elected representatives
Posted on 5/1/25 at 6:20 pm to chalmetteowl
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First they came for porn, and I BEGAN SCREAMING NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Posted on 5/1/25 at 6:34 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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If I drink alcohol, I will get drunk, and my body will need to process the ethanol. It’s a bodily function.
If I (or a 16 year old) use social media, I may have a positive experience or a may have a negative experience.
Sure, if I use social media I may have a positive or negative experience. If I drink alcohol I may have a positive experience or a negative experience as well.
Over the long term, drinking may cause significant negative impacts to my health or it may not. It depends on a lot of things - genetics, how much I consume, other lifestyle factors. Maybe I become an alcoholic, drive drunk, and die in a car crash. Maybe I’m just a social drinker and it’s all good.
Over the long term, social media may have significant impacts to my mental/physical health or it may not. Again it depends on a lot of things. Maybe I get depressed, fall into a downward spiral, and commit suicide. Maybe I’m completely normal/happy and post pics of my dog every once in a while.
I’m not saying I think alcohol and social media are equivalent. If I’m being honest, I don’t. At the same time, it took humans centuries to understand the risk alcohol poses to a developing brain (I’m not sure we completely understand it to this day). Social media has existed for - what - 20 years? I do think it might be a bit premature to take the stance that alcohol is obviously way worse.
That said, I agree that the impact of alcohol is more physical while the impact of social media is more psychological, which does make it a less valid comparison. But I think there’s a better comp for social media in that respect: pornography. Do you think it should be legal to sell pornography to young teens? I understand that the cat is out of the bag at this point with the internet, but the question is whether it should be legal.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 6:42 pm to lostinbr
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If I drink alcohol I may have a positive experience or a negative experience as well.
From a biological perspective this is incorrect
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Over the long term, drinking may cause significant negative impacts to my health or it may not. It depends on a lot of things - genetics, how much I consume, other lifestyle factors. Maybe I become an alcoholic, drive drunk, and die in a car crash. Maybe I’m just a social drinker and it’s all good. Over the long term, social media may have significant impacts to my mental/physical health or it may not. Again it depends on a lot of things. Maybe I get depressed, fall into a downward spiral, and commit suicide. Maybe I’m completely normal/happy and post pics of my dog every once in a while
Well then we should bring back prohibitions
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But I think there’s a better comp for social media in that respect: pornography. Do you think it should be legal to sell pornography to young teens? I understand that the cat is out of the bag at this point with the internet, but the question is whether it should be legal.
It’s better but still not great. Porn still has a biological effect that we can’t really avoid
Posted on 5/1/25 at 6:51 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Matt Dillion said it best, "You can't start telling a man how to raise his own son."
No one’s telling you how to raise your son. Raise him however you want. But in Texas he wont be able to use social media until hes 18, just as he isn't able to do a lot of other things until he's 18.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 7:29 pm to stout
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WTF does a bill in the state house of TX have to do with Trump?
Abbott, Patrick and Paxton are all about this bill. Between this and vouchers, I don’t want to hear shite about them being true conservatives.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 7:34 pm to BabyTac
Im good with it. Social Media too much for kids especially with news crying end of the world in everything. Let them be kids.
Kids thrive off of imagination, social media is just too much truth that they're not ready to face. Plus parents should explain the world to their kids.
Kids thrive off of imagination, social media is just too much truth that they're not ready to face. Plus parents should explain the world to their kids.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 7:34 pm to tketaco
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Im good with it.
Because you’re a democrat
Posted on 5/1/25 at 8:19 pm to DesScorp
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But in Texas he wont be able to use social media until hes 18, just as he isn't able to do a lot of other things until he's 18.
Realistically or technically he will not be allowed to open an account or use services by the company after the company confirms he is not an adult as long as he is a minor and a resident within the state of Texas.
The kid and the parents will have zero legal consequences if kid finds a way around it or if parent opens an account for themselves but allows kid to use. The only apparent restriction on minors using social media in any other situation is the bill restating the existing federal law restriction on minors which apparently is basically nothing based on current usage.
The enforceable focus is on forcing the company to verify Texas users are adults, shutting off any account the company knows is used by a minor in Texas, forcing company to react within 10 days to parents requesting accounts of their minor children be deleted, require company to not make deleted account a retrievable archive, and forbidding the company from using any personal info entered into that minor’s deleted account for anything.
Violations by the company would be considered deceptive trade practices under and subject to action by the CP division under the Attorney General of Texas.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 8:43 pm to Paco_taco
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Abbott, Patrick and Paxton are all about this bill. Between this and vouchers, I don’t want to hear shite about them being true conservatives.
You sound butt hurt. Vouchers are usually a conservative push to better allow parents to improve the education of their kids when the local school district allows bad schools. It actually pushed local district to compete more. Maybe you just need to step up your game if this personal affects you.
I am also guessing you haven’t read this particular bill at all, because it is the least intrusive bill on parental authority I have read on any bill wanting to limit social media use by minors. It actually increases a parent’s ability to quickly and permanently delete an account of their minor child while restricting company from using any private info entered by the kid and doesn’t criminalize the parent if they set up an account that they allow their kid to use. It actually doesn’t enforce anything on kids or their parents. It’s a requirement to verify its users are adults on the social media companies who are the only focus of enforcement with violations considered as deceptive trade practices and subject to action by consumer protection group of the attorney general. The bill is an amendment to Business & Commerce Code in Texas not to criminal or family laws.
This post was edited on 5/1/25 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 5/1/25 at 8:51 pm to BabyTac
I am not one to be in support of government making a bunch of laws to govern adults, but I support this 100%. In fact, they should make it 21.
Kids need to wait as long as possible because the longer they have to wait to sign up the less chance they allow it to consume them.
I think social media is responsible for a lot of social behavior issues. Yes, it might be helpful and a great way for us to keep up with things we enjoy, but I think the negative side of it outweighs the positives. If we are looking what best in general and not what is best for yourself, social media is shite. People, in general, are too emotional for social media.
Kids need to wait as long as possible because the longer they have to wait to sign up the less chance they allow it to consume them.
I think social media is responsible for a lot of social behavior issues. Yes, it might be helpful and a great way for us to keep up with things we enjoy, but I think the negative side of it outweighs the positives. If we are looking what best in general and not what is best for yourself, social media is shite. People, in general, are too emotional for social media.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 9:09 pm to stout
read my post frick nut - I said i wasn't in favor of the item trying to be passed - far from it, but lets not kid ourselves - a lot of Parents just don't give a shite or monitor what their kids are doing.
somewhere along the way Parents stopped parenting, and left it up to the kids to do it themselves, or in the case of schools - letting the school system handle it.
Soft Parenting is the worst fricking approach to parenting I have ever seen.
somewhere along the way Parents stopped parenting, and left it up to the kids to do it themselves, or in the case of schools - letting the school system handle it.
Soft Parenting is the worst fricking approach to parenting I have ever seen.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 9:13 pm to chalmetteowl
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First they came for porn, and I didn’t speak up, because I dont watch porn
I know that's right... One day your happy as can be and the next the SOB's got an age verification on the porn sites.
I really don't want to send them a copy of my ID... Ruined my day.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 10:31 pm to stout
quote:Read the bill and see if this statement is remotely called for. https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/89R/billtext/pdf/HB00186E.pdf#navpanes=0
Yes and I can think you are dumb for thinking its OK for the state to tell you how to raise your kids even more so than they already do.
There appears to be a lot of people in this thread reading the subject of this thread and acting like asses pretending they are defenders of freedom for children and parents. Anyone rational and objective can read the bill and see it’s not the attack on parental authority many here are making it out to be. It actually helps with some aspects including improving on ability of parents to force a company to permanently delete account of their minor children and improving on the federal law’s honor system of the user validating they are at least 13 for keeping those kids off social media per federal law while not actually criminalizing or enforcing any additional law directly onto parents or the kids. It’s an addition to deceptive trade practices for consumer protection under Business and Commerce code of Texas enforced only on the companies by the attorney general. It is not an addition to criminal or family laws in Texas.
The age above 13 may be an objective debate. I am also still not sure how well it’s focus solely on the type of social media companies that are hurting kids, and I don’t like that tech hasn’t been forced to help come up with a standard for verification of adulthood that maintains privacy when used with a 3rd party businesses. They profit off the targeting of kids, so even though they can create AI they will not push a standard with this until forced. I don’t think uploading a DL to every business is the answer. But a lot of the crap being thrown around in this thread is too similar to Karen’s lashing out with emotion and self righteousness with little actual reading of the bill.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 10:36 pm to BabyTac
I disagree with 18. They should make meaningful bills like no phones in classrooms which would be much better.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 10:38 pm to BabyTac
The “good ole’ white Christian” culture dominates the political climate in Texas. You could pretty much say that’s the same for every other Deep South state except Florida.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 10:44 pm to diat150
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not sure but I also believe social media really fricks some kids up.
I’m convinced it has badly damaged the women of Western societies as a whole.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 10:44 pm to 214
“Errr but we ain’t gonna let these illegals come and terk er’ jerbs!”
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