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re: Terrorist’s mosque is ordering its members to refuse to talk to fbi

Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:42 am to
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:42 am to
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They most certainly are, in the same sense that the ACLU or the Alliance Defending Freedom are law firms.


They are a political advocacy group run by lawyers. Again, the direction was not “get a lawyer” the direction was refer directly to this political action group that advocates for our religion’s interests.”

This is a material distinction that I don’t think you are capable of understanding.

Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
31921 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:47 am to
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Safe to say he constructively denounced his own citizenshi


No

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It’s like some of yall don’t realize that civil rights kind of end when you commit acts of war against the country that you have those rights in


No
Posted by Dixie2023
Member since Mar 2023
3420 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:49 am to
Well, the Muslim woman who wrote about CAIR was in hiding and under a new name bc she exposed and warned what it really is. This was years ago.
Posted by Stinger_1066
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Member since Jul 2021
2899 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:50 am to
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It’s like some of yall don’t realize that civil rights kind of end when you commit acts of war against the country that you have those rights in.


Good gawd, dude. You just cannot stop putting your ignorance on display, can you.

If he had lived, he would have been tried AS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN with the full rights of one as documented in our Constitution.

Where the frick were you educated?
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
74914 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:51 am to
Not sure who CAIR is but I certainly wouldn't talk to the FBI without a lawyer present. That being said, I have been extremely critical on how the Catholic church handled the molestations, so it would be hypocritical of me to not say the religious leaders allowing this shite to fester and not handling it are pieces of shite that should be held accountable.
Posted by Stinger_1066
On a golf course
Member since Jul 2021
2899 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:52 am to
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They are a political advocacy group run by lawyers. Again, the direction was not “get a lawyer” the direction was refer directly to this political action group that advocates for our religion’s interests.”

This is a material distinction that I don’t think you are capable of understanding.


You are a brainless idiot.

Where the frick were you educated?
Posted by BregmansWheelbarrow
Member since Mar 2020
2981 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:58 am to
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Yeah but the church leader urging silence kinda makes this seem like coordinated religious extremism.



Well, they are Muslims…so it probably is.
Posted by Dantheman504
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:03 am to
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We know the ending. He died committing an act of terrorism against the US.

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If your kid graduated college, joined the Army, and then committed a terrorist attack on US soil would you suddenly think "damn I should have revoked his citizenship and shipped him away as a baby" Chances are you wouldn't have known and according to you it would be your own fault.


This is completely off the rails strawman territory.

Why is it difficult to understand that this guy died a terrorist against the US?


Are you saying that if your kid did the exact same thing he would NOT be a terrorist because in your head he's a different kind of "American citizen"?

You might actually be retarded.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 11:04 am
Posted by Hogbit
Benton, AR
Member since Aug 2019
3091 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:11 am to
Burn it and run em out of the country.
Posted by oleheat
Sportsman's Paradise
Member since Mar 2007
14141 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:17 am to
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FYI…..CAIR is basically a think thank/legal defense force for domestic Muslim terrorism


Sounds raid-worthy to me.....
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
31921 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:19 am to
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Well, the Muslim woman who wrote about CAIR was in hiding and under a new name bc she exposed and warned what it really is. This was years ago.


How is this relevant to the thread?

Everyone understands that CAIR is a shady organization. But they also provide legal assistance to muslims, so advising someone to consult them prior to speaking with the FBI is good advice.
Posted by oleheat
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Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:21 am to
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They are a political advocacy group run by lawyers. Again, the direction was not “get a lawyer” the direction was refer directly to this political action group that advocates for our religion’s interests- such as terrorism.





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Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
21378 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:40 am to
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Are you saying that if your kid did the exact same thing he would NOT be a terrorist because in your head he's a different kind of "American citizen"?


No, I noted that this was a ridiculous straw man and didn’t provide much more response than that. You accused me of being emotional, but also seem pretty invested in getting me to go down this emotional path you are paving the way

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You might actually be retarded.


I’m not even sure what your position is and why it matters. Frankly, I think your hypothetical is fricking retarded, irrelevant and does little to advance any discussion. So in the interest of moving along…

This isn’t my kid or a member of my church. If it was my kid, I don’t think I would be considering his American citizenship, but I would most certainly question where I went wrong. And if he didn’t act alone, I don’t think I would have any interest in protecting his accomplices and would be troubled by what this church leader is suggesting.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
21378 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:52 am to
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You are a brainless idiot.


I’m the brainless idiot. Right. Let me spell this out for you. The Muslim church is directing its people to not answer questions from the American state, so that the state of Islam ( the terrorists responsible for this) can answer for them. They are using our own system, which they don’t believe in, against us and people like yourself are carrying the water.

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Where the frick were you educated?


A place that believes when someone is slinging insults at you probably means they don’t have much of an argument to stand on.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
An Incredibly Distant Star
Member since Dec 2013
17351 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 11:53 am to
The community should surround their mosque and interrogate them out of existence if this is more than rhetoric.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 11:56 am
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
21378 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 12:09 pm to
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If he had lived, he would have been tried AS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN with the full rights of one as documented in our Constitution.


But he DID NOT LIVE. He gave up his rights when he decided to die committing an act of war on Americans. He did not exercise those rights. This is a material fact to this discussion.

And if he had lived, the crimes he would be facing are the only ones that are specifically delineated in the constitution. His status of being a living person would be in jeopardy, much less his citizenship.

Again, what is your point? That he could have a lawyer present? He doesn’t need to further incriminate himself? Great. He died breaking the most egregious laws in all of the jurisdictions he committed them in. OUR rights were violated and the primary function of the state is to protect those rights from people that wish to take them away.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
21378 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 12:10 pm to
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quote:Safe to say he constructively denounced his own citizenshi

No


Yes. He is dead. He has no rights, and it was his decision.
Posted by AlextheBodacious
Member since Oct 2020
2450 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 12:19 pm to
John Lindh was tried as a US citizen, didn't have to do a bid in GITMO, and that fricker was found in one of Osama’s caves. Your opinions are just that.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
14656 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 12:22 pm to
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42 upvotes to 11 downvotes for this retarded nonsense. but yeah, y'all only want illegals out, not legals and naturally born citizens you don't like


No, keep going.

“Naturally born citizens” that absolutely despise the American way of life and belong to a cult of hedonistic murderous pieces of shite that are 1000 years behind civilization and run cover for jihadists that want to murder you and rape your wife in front of you while you grandstand behind a keyboard defending them.


Muslims do not fricking work with Western civilization, and Im saying this, ironically, as they continue to murder US Citizens.

What in the frick is wrong with you people?
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
18126 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 12:44 pm to
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No muslim is an American.


How quickly we shite on the Constitution.
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