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re: Teenager Attacked By Police When Mother Takes Him To Hospital For Mental Crisis

Posted on 2/17/20 at 8:35 am to
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 2/17/20 at 8:35 am to
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So some jackass downvotes and doesn't respond?
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122527 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 8:41 am to
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Every one but the mom overreacted in this scenario.
That being said Fatboy and super trooper should have had their asses kicked and charged with assault.


Right. She was taking her son to get help. When she got to the hospital she called security/police officer over to help her get the son inside.

A professional law enforcer would have been able to ignore whatever the kid was saying.. If I were asked and never had training, etc, etc my first goal would have been to get to the teen so I could bear hug him and try to calm him down.

If it got to the point where it took multiple people. The goal would be to get control of him and get him to where he has to go. Whatever he is yelling or saying is irrelevant.

When police do shite like the police who punched him did, I can't help but think that police is dealing with other issues in his life so he looks for situations to let his aggression out.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
64065 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 8:43 am to
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Blood carries diseases. People in hospitals are there for a reason.

I don’t want any part of some lunatic spitting blood at me.


So you punch somebody in the mouth causing blood splatter, possibly infecting more people. Smooth move, Ex Lax.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122527 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 8:47 am to
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No, it doesn’t. And if this thread is correct that security officer was fired right?


Correct. But I am referring more to the police himself and his decision making during this situation.

I understand there are times when people will react out of emotion and do things they will regret later, but police should be held to a higher standard when it comes to acting out of emotion.

Is this something police receive training on? Their ability to have a higher emotional intelligence seems like it would be a tool for the job.
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
30767 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 8:48 am to
LOL

oweTard ran so fast to the board to post this, he was hoping the cop haters on here would welcome him into their arms with up votes. wrong

Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122527 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 8:50 am to
First of all. I am not a cop hater. But I don't like cops that give other cops a bad name.

And you really think that I think I could do anything to get people to agree with me?

frick off.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42767 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 8:53 am to
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understand there are times when people will react out of emotion and do things they will regret later, but police should be held to a higher standard when it comes to acting out of emotion.


He was fired. Sounds like he was he’s to a high standard. What more do you want? Him to be charged?
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
92364 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 8:58 am to
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Atrium Health defended those guards' actions, claiming that Hayden was threatening to shoot them.

"The officers did what was appropriate to contain the situation," a representative from the hospital said.
”Having a mental crisis” isn’t some free pass to threaten to murder people at a hospital while you lose your shite.

The guy who punched him should never be a police officer again. Why didn’t it show anything from when he pushed his mom to when the security guard shoved him down?
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
92364 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:02 am to
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She was taking her son to get help. When she got to the hospital she called security/police officer over to help her get the son inside.
What is typical protocol here?

Does the mom have to show proof of what type of mental disorder the son has? What is security’s strategy to bring in a combative person who is threatening murder into a hospital? Where do they take them?
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:07 am to
Guards and cops didn't handle that to good. Dam shame that one cop came unglued to the point that another cop had to hold him back. I understand he was pissed about the blood, but he is or should of been trained to NOT loose it. He should NOT be a cop at all.

I just hope and pray the kid gets the help he needs.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
64065 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:07 am to
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What more do you want?


quote:

Him to be charged?


Winner, winner, chicken dinner! However, Hayden fiddin' t'get paid!
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:13 am to
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After looking at both sides of this.. Were the police action justified?
Question is what did they know at the time?

That first security guard guy, all he sees is a male attacking a female. Looks like they had just arrived, no one would have had any clue of his mental state in that moment. Though the punching because he spit at you is not a good idea. I'm sure instincts take over, but that is not how a cop should handle that.
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 9:16 am
Posted by WhoDatNC
NC
Member since Dec 2013
14500 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:13 am to
Mental health “crisis”? Do people know of such a thing called conduct disorder? Based on the kids demeanor and actions, I’ll guess at that.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122527 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:14 am to
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What more do you want? Him to be charged?


I mean.. He did assault the kid.. So that would be an option.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:16 am to
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Do people know of such a thing called conduct disorder? Based on the kids demeanor and actions, I’ll guess at that.
You're going away from mental health and to conduct disorder based on that video you saw?

OT never disappoints!!!
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:16 am to
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What more do you want? Him to be charged?
Was the kid charged for spitting on the cop?

Admittedly, I didn't read all that in the OP.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
172004 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:18 am to
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Hospital footage obtained by the family's attorney shows Hayden shoving his mom as she waves for help.

A security guard then pushes the teen down twice and pulls out a stun gun.

As Hayden walks back toward the car, a second security guard grabs him by the neck and tackles him from behind, leaving him bleeding.



Seems the police acted on what they believed was a guy shoving a lady who was asking them to intervene. Unfortunate situation, but I can't really blame them for the initial reaction.


quote:

And if a policeman punches you in the face twice after you have been handcuffed and you spit blood on that police officer... If you are going to arrest the kid for assault, why does the policeman not get arrested?

If cops put handcuffs on me and then punch me in the face twice.. And the only thing I could do is spit blood on them, I would.. That's just an instinct. Someone attacks you, you do whatever you can back to them.



Well, the sheriff's department obviously agreed that this cop went overboard:

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Then, Deputy Justin Polson arrives, and authorities said Hayden spit blood in his face. The video then shows Polson responds by punching the handcuffed teen twice in the head.
The Lincoln County Sheriff's Office confirmed that Deputy Justin Polson is no longer an employee as of Saturday.


This part is the only part I have an issue with the cops but it seems the appropriate move was made by firing him. Can't really bitch about it anymore unless you think he should be jailed over it, which is a rational opinion.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122527 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:21 am to
I get he was fired. This is about the police and his decision to act the way he did. Is that how they are trained to handle situations like this?
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
172004 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:21 am to
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Was the kid charged for spitting on the cop?


Article only says this:

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The 16-year-old is facing multiple charges, including felony assault of a law enforcement officer.


The sherrif said this, but it was before they ended up firing him:

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"Spitting blood in a law enforcement officer's face is a felonious assault," said Sheriff Beam, "and he had a right to stop that assault from occurring."
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112944 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 9:22 am to
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This is about the police and his decision to act the way he did. Is that how they are trained to handle situations like this?
quote:

I get he was fired
I don't think you do actually get why he was fired.
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