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re: Teen cheerleader's Snapchat brings Supreme Court clash over schools and free speech

Posted on 4/2/21 at 12:51 pm to
Posted by A Menace to Sobriety
Member since Jun 2018
28937 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 12:51 pm to
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Looks like a female version of Michael Shannon


Not bad, but I was thinking more like this guy.

Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 12:52 pm to
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Instructors and Professors are not teachers.

I'm not sure the angle. Are you saying you actually have to know something to teach in college?
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71345 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 12:55 pm to
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Isn't it a double standard to say businesses can fire employees for shite they do and say off the clock but a school can't do the same for it's clubs?


School is the government, which is already held to different standards than private business. If you want to take this asinine comparison further, it would be highly illegal to employ that many children due to child labor laws.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18895 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 12:59 pm to
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Are you saying you actually have to know something to teach in college?


You need more education. I’m technically qualified for both.

The angle is this: Someone said teachers are dictatorial. I disagree. I know myself and others.

Then someone used the college level as an example. That’s unfair. Teachers and Professors are very different. Not only are professors far more liberal and leaders in Critical Race theory, they view interaction with students as secondary to research (Granted, I’m generalizing here).

90% of high school teachers could not even tell you what CRT is. Thankfully, I can (again I’m qualified to be both). But all I try to do is interact with students, show them what personal motivation looks like, teach them how to spend and invest responsibly, and have a good bit of fun. Sooo....NOT a dictator.

College profs: possibly dictators (to use the word from the original post).
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 1:01 pm
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 1:09 pm to
Hope she wins.

If public schools can can dictate speech outside of school what else can they dictate?

Dress code? Use of firearms? The practice of religion?

IMO this is an overreach by the school.
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
19192 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 1:11 pm to
Definitely a slippery slope if she doesn't.
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
25953 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 1:19 pm to


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When 14-year-old Brandi Levy


She ain't from my tribe based on that picture! She should have stuck with the religion of Levy and if they still screwed with her she could have called her grandparents and had them assess NSF charges on those who wronged Levy's bank accounts.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 1:21 pm
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47499 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 1:26 pm to
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Public schools should have zero ability to enforce arbitrary rules outside of the school itself.

Private schools can have any contractual requirements for entry that they want.

then we shouldn’t complain that inmates run the asylum in public schools.

They’d like to deal with their problem students too. They directly lose lots of them based such vague reasoning as discipline and the school environment
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72027 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 1:31 pm to
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then we shouldn’t complain that inmates run the asylum in public schools.
There should be strictly enforced rules within school property and during school time.

If infractions occur during aforementioned time, the schools should be afforded the capability to discipline and/or remove said student.

Public institutions should not have the ability to police outside of their allotted hours and grounds.

I don’t believe that stance is contradictory.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 1:32 pm
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 1:34 pm to
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Public schools should have zero ability to enforce arbitrary rules outside of the school itself.


quote:

then we shouldn’t complain that inmates run the asylum in public schools.


You're going to have to explain to me how "schools have no right to tell children how to act outside of schools" equates to "the inmates are running the asylum".

Without hyperventilating.
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
19192 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 1:34 pm to
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then we shouldn’t complain that inmates run the asylum in public schools. They’d like to deal with their problem students too. They directly lose lots of them based such vague reasoning as discipline and the school environment


While the students are in school, they have to follow the rules. Once they are not on school time or property then it falls on the parents to handle. Problem is, we have many parents who don't.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 1:35 pm to
Social media should burn in hell
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
22188 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 1:41 pm to
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his thread is going to be full of people agreeing with the ACLU. An OT rarity.




The rarity is the ACLU defending civil liberties once a decade or so.
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
61771 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 1:51 pm to
She wasn’t suspended from school, she was suspended from the cheer leading team. The team that she disparaged by saying “F cheer”.

I have no problem with her being suspended from the team for that season. Cheerleading is not a protected constitutional right.


If Landon Marceaux would have gone home last night and tweeted “F Paul Maineiri” I doubt he would be on the field next weekend.
Posted by The Quiet One
Former United States
Member since Oct 2013
11599 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 1:51 pm to
Boy, if TD ever gets doxxed and emails are linked to accounts, every one of us will have a lot of explaining to do...especially the ones condoning organizations doing this kind of shite.

People wanna hold a 14 year old accountable because she bitched on the innerwebs.
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
19192 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 1:55 pm to
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e wasn’t suspended from school, she was suspended from the cheer leading team. The team that she disparaged by saying “F cheer”. I have no problem with her being suspended from the team for that season. Cheerleading is not a protected constitutional right. If Landon Marceaux would have gone home last night and tweeted “F Paul Maineiri” I doubt he would be on the field next weekend.


Opinions vary

This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 1:56 pm
Posted by squid_hunt
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2021
11272 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 2:00 pm to
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Cheerleading is not a protected constitutional right.

Speech is.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 2:01 pm to
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She wasn’t suspended from school, she was suspended from the cheer leading team. The team that she disparaged by saying “F cheer”.

I have no problem with her being suspended from the team for that season. Cheerleading is not a protected constitutional right.


If Landon Marceaux would have gone home last night and tweeted “F Paul Maineiri” I doubt he would be on the field next weekend.


But she didn't say F the coach or the team, or the school.

If Marceaux out of frustration said F baseball....should he be suspended?
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18895 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 2:05 pm to
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She wasn’t suspended from school, she was suspended from the cheer leading team. The team that she disparaged by saying “F cheer”.

I have no problem with her being suspended from the team for that season. Cheerleading is not a protected constitutional right.


This is a really, really, good point.
Well thought out. This is likely to be featured in any concurrence or dissent.
Posted by KickPuncher
Member since Jun 2020
754 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 3:37 pm to
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Looks like a female version of Michael Shannon

Thats a hard 14 too.

Thought that was some teacher who gave out some private sex ed lessons.
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