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re: Teddy Roosevelt statue to be removed from Museum of Natural History
Posted on 6/22/20 at 8:45 am to upgrayedd
Posted on 6/22/20 at 8:45 am to upgrayedd
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There are laws on the books for assault, battery, murder, etc., but that didn't stop the creation and implementation of hate crime laws.
Ao you are in favor of putting these people in internment camps or charging them with war crimes?
Posted on 6/22/20 at 8:45 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Speed up the film, Montag, quick... Uh! Bang! Smack! Wallop, Bing, Bong, Boom! Digest-digests, digest-digest-digests. Politics? One column, two sentences, a headline!... Whirl man's mind around about so fast under the pumping hands of publishers, exploiters, broadcasters that the centrifuge flings off all unnecessary, time-wasting thought!
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We must all be alike. Not everyone born free and equal, as the Constitution says, but everyone made equal. Each man the image of every other; then all are happy, for there are no mountains to make them cower, to judge themselves against. So! A book is a loaded gun in the house next door. Burn it. Take the shot from the weapon.
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School is shortened, discipline relaxed, philosophies, histories, languages dropped, English and spelling gradually neglected, finally almost completely ignored. Life is immediate, the job counts, pleasure lies all about after work. Why learn anything save pressing buttons, pulling switches, fitting nuts and bolts?
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You must understand that our civilization is so vast that we can’t have our minorities upset and stirred. Ask yourself, What do we want in this country, above all? People want to be happy, isn’t that right? Haven’t you heard it all your life? I want to be happy, people say. Well, aren’t they? Don’t we keep them moving, don’t we give them fun? That’s all we live for, isn’t it? For pleasure, for titillation? And you must admit our culture provides plenty of these.
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Now let’s take up the minorities in our civilization, shall we? Bigger the population, the more minorities. Don’t step on the toes of the dog-lovers, the cat-lovers, doctors, lawyers, merchants, chiefs, Mormons, Baptists, Unitarians, second-generation Chinese, Swedes, Italians, Germans, Texans, Brooklynites, Irishmen, people from Oregon or Mexico. The people in this book, this play, this TV serial are not meant to represent any actual painters, cartographers, mechanics anywhere. The bigger your market, Montag, the less you handle controversy, remember that! All the minor minor minorities with their navels to be kept clean. Authors, full of evil thoughts, lock up your typewriters. They did. Magazines became a nice blend of vanilla tapioca. Books, so the damned snobbish critics said, were dishwater. No wonder books stopped selling, the critics said. But the public, knowing what it wanted, spinning happily, let the comic books survive. And the three-dimensional sex-magazines, of course. There you have it, Montag. It didn’t come from the Government down. There was no dictum, no declaration, no censorship, to start with, no! Technology, mass exploitation, and minority pressure carried the trick, thank God. Today, thanks to them, you can stay happy all the time, you are allowed to read comics, the good old confessions, or trade journals.
Ray Bradbury as prophet through the voice of Captain Beatty in Fahrenheit 451.
This post was edited on 6/22/20 at 8:53 am
Posted on 6/22/20 at 8:46 am to lsuwontonwrap
We can’t have statues in museums now too?
Posted on 6/22/20 at 8:47 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Ao you are in favor of putting these people in internment camps or charging them with war crimes?
Charging them with terrorism does none of those things. You're better at trolling non political topics, boy
Posted on 6/22/20 at 8:50 am to upgrayedd
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Charging them with terrorism does none of those things
Thats exactly what the post i replied to suggested.
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You're better at trolling non political topics, boy
It seems I'm also better at reading.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 8:53 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Thats exactly what the post i replied to suggested.
So that person can't be a moron like you too?
Posted on 6/22/20 at 8:53 am to lsuwontonwrap
Roosevelt's great grandson signed off on its removal. He sits on that museum's board. Seems if he's okay with its removal, we all should be.
And the decision was based on what the statue portrays rather than an indictment on Roosevelt himself.
And the decision was based on what the statue portrays rather than an indictment on Roosevelt himself.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 9:00 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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I don't agree with them, but if you're intellectually honest its pretty clear. White man rides ok high horse while minorities walk on his side to serve him.
That’s not at all how I took it. I saw three men leading a charge side-by-side: Teddy Roosevelt, whose name is practically synonymous with “horseman”, and two very strong, proud-looking men at each flank. Obviously the visual representation of each man’s history and heritage was pretty heavy-handed, but to be fair the medium doesn’t exactly allow for subtlety. How is it intellectually dishonest to say that? It’s literally an opinion, and an honest one at that.
I think is a prime example of “Whatever you look for, that’s what you’ll find.”
Posted on 6/22/20 at 9:01 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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There are laws ok the books to deal with all of these.
But no one is being held responsible for looting and rioting, and many business owners are being harmed in the process. But let's ignore that.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 9:01 am to upgrayedd
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So that person can't be a moron like you too?
I think the protesters are morons, im just not a hypocrite like all you RHINOs so I'm against the government subverting its already too much power to deal with them.
Get some convictions.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 9:04 am to kywildcatfanone
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This is so stupid. You can't erase history people.
I wouldn't be so sure of that.
"Are you familiar with the Russian saying, 'The past is unpredictable?"
Posted on 6/22/20 at 9:09 am to The Spleen
quote:Yes, because one jackass who is bending the knee to the woke mob clearly dismisses all criticism of this nonsense, regardless of who he is.
Roosevelt's great grandson signed off on its removal. He sits on that museum's board. Seems if he's okay with its removal, we all should be.
quote:Portrays what? Looking at the statue doesn't depict some obvious racism to me in the slightest. The only sense of superiority someone can read into is the part where Teddy is elevated, and that's simply because the man is on a fricking horse.
And the decision was based on what the statue portrays rather than an indictment on Roosevelt himself.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 9:11 am to Kodar
Just gonna cap it off and take the opportunity to laugh at all the clowns who scoffed when shite like this was predicted some years ago when statues first started getting targeted. A number of people scoffed and said, 'No! It won't go any further! Besides, those statues belong in a museum after all.'
fricking. Told. You. So.
fricking. Told. You. So.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 9:15 am to Kodar
Well, here's an article that provides a lot more context to its removal. It doesn't read like there was a great deal of pressure from any "woke mob" for its removal, though it had received a lot of criticism over the years.
But you're free to believe whatever you want to.
Washington Post
But you're free to believe whatever you want to.
Washington Post
Posted on 6/22/20 at 9:16 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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I think the protesters are morons, im just not a hypocrite like all you RHINOs so I'm against the government subverting its already too much power to deal with them.
Yeah, I'm not a RHINO or a Republican, but good talk, Russ.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 9:16 am to The Spleen
The Bear Bryant statue is tomorrow. That old alcoholic white Baw practically invented the N word.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 9:21 am to The Spleen
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Roosevelt's great grandson signed off on its removal. He sits on that museum's board. Seems if he's okay with its removal, we all should be.
Aunt Jemima's family/grandkids opposed her removal from the brand. Happened anyway.
We know why you support it.
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And the decision was based on what the statue portrays rather than an indictment on Roosevelt himself.
Your ilk are now trying to erase Saints. This isn't what this is about, and you know it. But since your side is winning the censorship war, you back it.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 9:24 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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We know why you support it.
I never said I supported it. I said I'm okay with it given his great grandson supported the decision.
My opinion is they should have just moved it inside the museum next to the display they added about the statue.
Posted on 6/22/20 at 9:24 am to The Spleen
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Roosevelt's great grandson signed off on its removal. He sits on that museum's board. Seems if he's okay with its removal, we all should be.
My sister's husband sits on the board of a museum.
He tried changing the oil in his car once, unscrewed the plug with no pan under it and made one hell of a mess in his driveway and grass.
I wouldn't let him decide anything on my behalf nor would I seek his counsel.
This post was edited on 6/22/20 at 9:25 am
Posted on 6/22/20 at 9:39 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Damn man, at some point even a prog like you should start to feel a little embarrassment. We all understand that you hate this country yet refuse to leave, but are inanimate objects and food labels really causing you such grief?
This post was edited on 6/22/20 at 9:40 am
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