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re: Teacher who had phone stolen and nudes stolen may face criminal charges
Posted on 3/2/16 at 2:48 pm to shel311
Posted on 3/2/16 at 2:48 pm to shel311
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Against school policy to possess porn, I'm sure. Not against school policy to change clothes in a bathroom, I'm guessing.
She still allowed "easy access" to images of her naked body.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 2:49 pm to upgrayedd
quote:I get it, and I don't have a fancy explanation, but I just think there's a clear distinction between taking her phone and going to PornHub, and taking her phone and finding nudes of herself on the camera roll.
I guess if we really wanted to split hairs, simply by carrying a smartphone into school could be construed as bringing in porn simply for the fact that it has internet access
Posted on 3/2/16 at 2:49 pm to shel311
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he's currently under investigation.
she loses her job and they are still "investigating" the student
Posted on 3/2/16 at 2:51 pm to shel311
I don't think there's a distinction other than one effects the teacher's future authority more than the other.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 2:51 pm to upgrayedd
quote:So what if she trips and falls and her dress flies up a bit and a student sees her panties? Same thing?
She still allowed "easy access" to images of her naked body.
I'll be honest, I don't know how the law or school policies delineate this stuff, but the difference between nudes on a camera roll and internet access, or her changing in a bathroom or just night and day for me, they're just not the same thing.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 2:52 pm to shel311
One is an act of God, the other is "negligence"
Posted on 3/2/16 at 2:53 pm to upgrayedd
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She still allowed "easy access" to images of her naked body.
This is true... I wonder how many in this thread have nudes of themselves on their phones???????
Posted on 3/2/16 at 2:55 pm to dukke v
Trying to see naked dudes again, huh?
Posted on 3/2/16 at 2:55 pm to shel311
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if the kid barged in intentionally, he should face action, but I wouldn't see any reason for the teacher to be responsible.
You have been arguing the exact opposite for 2 threads now. By your own argument, the fact that she didn't lock her cell phone (the door) she is responsible for allowing easy access to nudes and therefore shoulders some of the blame. I'm almost certain it'd be easier for me to see naked pee pees (tee hee)in a locker room than finding nudes on a phone.
Swiping a phone and looking at the camera roll is the digital equivalent of barging into a locker room uninvited.
This post was edited on 3/2/16 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 3/2/16 at 2:56 pm to upgrayedd
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Trying to see naked dudes again, huh?
Posted on 3/2/16 at 2:57 pm to upgrayedd
I think the offending item being data on a cell phone gives people trouble.
What if the scenario was: student steals teacher's purse, finds booze, gives booze to friends. I think most people would agree that the teacher has some responsibility to prevent someone from obtaining the booze and shouldn't have had it on her person at school.
Fwiw I don't think the teacher should get in trouble, but I understand the school's perspective.
What would make for a more interesting debate would be if the photos were saved to the cloud and the student used the phone to retrieve the photographs.
What if the scenario was: student steals teacher's purse, finds booze, gives booze to friends. I think most people would agree that the teacher has some responsibility to prevent someone from obtaining the booze and shouldn't have had it on her person at school.
Fwiw I don't think the teacher should get in trouble, but I understand the school's perspective.
What would make for a more interesting debate would be if the photos were saved to the cloud and the student used the phone to retrieve the photographs.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 2:57 pm to dukke v
quote:The addition of seven question marks indicates you are VERY concerned with this issue.
I wonder how many in this thread have nudes of themselves on their phones???????
Posted on 3/2/16 at 2:57 pm to NoHoTiger
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You have been arguing the exact opposite for 2 threads now. By your own logic, the fact that she didn't lock her cell phone (the door) she is responsible for allowing easy access to nudes and therefore shoulders some of the blame. I'm almost certain it'd be easier for me to see naked pee pees (tee hee)in a locker room than finding nudes on a phone.
Swiping a phone and looking at the camera roll is the digital equivalent of barging into a locker room uninvited.
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NoHoTiger
BOOM! Sessi and brains
Posted on 3/2/16 at 2:59 pm to NoHoTiger
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Swiping a phone and looking at the camera roll is the digital equivalent of barging into a locker room uninvited.
I agree 100% and don't see how anyone could argue otherwise.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 3:00 pm to AwesomeSauce
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Sessi and brains
Back atcha babe
Now who gets to spank the kid?Posted on 3/2/16 at 3:12 pm to jmitc22
I guess, but booze is directly harmful to those that find it not to mention highly illegal. It's probably a hell of a lot easier to swipe booze from a purse than dig through someone's phone for a specific item. If the pic was the background on her phone, I'd be more inclined to agree.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 3:12 pm to upgrayedd
I'm not asking if there should be. I'm asking if there is a law. The homeless guy example is breaking and entering. I'm asking if there is an actual law that exists against snooping when something is in a public space.
Not arguing anything. Merely asking.
Not arguing anything. Merely asking.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 3:15 pm to KG6
Well, I think there has to be some common sense here. Everyone knows that a smartphone contains highly personal information. Just because it's in a "public space" doesn't mean it's public property. I wonder if it can be interpreted as "trespassing".
Posted on 3/2/16 at 3:21 pm to upgrayedd
Common sense and decency aside, I'm talking about the law here. Because if there is a law against "snooping", then she may even have ever a case against the school for wrongful termination. But I've never heard of anything that covers "privacy". If she isn't afforded the legal right of privacy while on public, then that changes the whole tune of the conversation compared to if she is.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 3:27 pm to upgrayedd
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booze is directly harmful to those that find it not to mention highly illegal
Well, one would assume that graphic images are as well since the government has made it a crime to show them to minors. One could argue the graphic images are more directly harmful because you have to consume booze in order for it to be harmful.
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