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re: Teacher who had phone stolen and nudes stolen may face criminal charges
Posted on 3/2/16 at 4:39 pm to Topwater Trout
Posted on 3/2/16 at 4:39 pm to Topwater Trout
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what time do you bathe
6:30 a.m on weekdays.
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Posted on 3/2/16 at 4:45 pm to NoHoTiger
quote:That's literally what is up for debate here. You think she didn't, I think she did.
She never violated any policy
quote:The one where clearly no school policy is violated, she's not responsible. The one where logically and I'm fairly certain there's a policy that falls under not having pornographic material at school, she bears some responsibility.
So which is it?
quote:For the kid, absolutely.
Barging through an unlocked door is a parallel to swiping and accessing a phone.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 4:47 pm to shel311
quote:She is bringing pornographic material to school
Ok, so in the changing clothes example, what policy did she violate?
Posted on 3/2/16 at 4:49 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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She is bringing pornographic material to school
Posted on 3/2/16 at 4:52 pm to shel311
Being topless in private at school vs being topless in private on your phone what is the difference? If one isn't allowed then the other can't be either unless there is a specific policy about phones
Posted on 3/2/16 at 4:53 pm to NoHoTiger
quote:FWIW, make it her masturbating behind some unlocked door at school, and you have yourself a more apples to apples comparison(though i'd concede this one is much more eggegious, but both are still against policy).
I think you're a bit confused. She never violated any policy. You have stated over and over that easy access increases culpability. That failure to lock her phone made the photos easy to access. You then stated that changing clothes with an unlocked door absolves her of culpability. So which is it? Locks increase culpability or locks do not effect culpability? You can't have it both ways. Barging through an unlocked door is a parallel to swiping and accessing a phone. Regardless of what is on the other side of the unlocked entity you have not been invited to access that unlocked entity.
But definitely not changing a shirt.
This post was edited on 3/2/16 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 3/2/16 at 4:53 pm to shel311
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That's literally what is up for debate here. You think she didn't, I think she did.
There is no debate. It has been said repeatedly that she did not violate any school policy by having the nude on her phone. You thinking it's wrong to have a nude image on her phone does not actually mean she violated a policy.
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not having pornographic material at school
She did not have pornographic material at school. One nude photo does not pornography make.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 4:55 pm to shel311
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make it her masturbating behind some unlocked door at school, and you have yourself a more apples to apples comparison(though i'd concede this one is much more eggegious, but both are still against policy).
Ummm...actually you still comparing apples to trucks. And there is NO frickING POLICY for her to be violating.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 4:56 pm to NoHoTiger
quote:Is there a policy against her to have it in her shoe? Against her having polaroids specifically in a folder at her desk?
There is no debate. It has been said repeatedly that she did not violate any school policy by having the nude on her phone. You thinking it's wrong to have a nude image on her phone does not actually mean she violated a policy.
A more serious question, you don't think there is a school policy that states something along the lines of not being allowed to have "inappopriate material" at school? Surely, you'd agree that there would logically be a policy for that.
You're using semantics to say the policy doesn't state specifically where it is located.
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She did not have pornographic material at school. One nude photo does not pornography make.
That's debateable.
Also disingenuous and inaccurate to say "1 photo"
This post was edited on 3/2/16 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 3/2/16 at 4:58 pm to NoHoTiger
quote:So carry porn at school, no policy against it. No biggie teachers.
And there is NO frickING POLICY for her to be violating.
You don't think there's a policy against having stuff like that at school. Very interesting take, but got it.
This post was edited on 3/2/16 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:02 pm to shel311
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Is there a policy against her to have it in her shoe? Against her having polaroids specifically in a folder at her desk?
I don't know I haven't read their manual. I do know that it has been specifically stated that she violated no policy.
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you don't think there is a school policy that states something along the lines of not being allowed to have "inappopriate material" at school?
I don't know, I haven't read their policy manual.
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Surely, you'd agree that there would logically be a policy for that.
Whether I think there "should" be a policy or not is neither here nor there. You cannot assume policy violation when no policy exists to violate. And you cannot also cannot assume guilt and culpability based on what you think should be a policy.
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You're using semantics to say the policy doesn't state specifically where it is located.
No, I'm repeating that it has been stated that she did not violate policy by having a nude image of herself on her phone.
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That's debateable.
In this particular instance, it is not debatable. She did not violate policy, ergo she did not have pornography at school.
I really hope you're trolling
Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:07 pm to NoHoTiger
quote:I believe it actually stated there was no specific policy to the materials on a phone, not necessarily that she did not violate a policy. Unless you actually think she can have any kind of porno type items at schools, just any kind?
I do know that it has been specifically stated that she violated no policy
quote:You're really good at twisting the facts to make you seem correct, but what you're saying simply is not so.
In this particular instance, it is not debatable. She did not violate policy, ergo she did not have pornography at school. I really hope you're trolling
You are saying she did not violate a policy because it was stated there was no policy SPECIFIC to cell phones. That does not mean she did not violate A policy. I don't get why that's so difficult to grasp.
Also, you're basing this off of her quotes...from the story:
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She says the district told her there was no policy about “inappropriate material on her cell phone”
That's her side, no clue if it's true. Even if true, doesn't mean she did not violate A policy. It really is not a tough concept.
You're clearly twisting it around to say a quote SHE made stated she violated ZERO policies, and that simply is not true from the one quote I just posted.
This post was edited on 3/2/16 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:08 pm to shel311
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believe it actually stated there was no specific policy to the materials on a phone,
Ok, then it's settled. She didn't violate any policies.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:10 pm to upgrayedd
quote:And if there's a policy(which I think it's fair to say we can logically assume there is one) against teachers/students having inappropriate materials at school, then what?
Ok, then it's settled. She didn't violate any policies.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:13 pm to shel311
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there was no specific policy to the materials on a phone
Well since this is what we are discussing, then this pretty much sums it up.
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Unless you actually think she can have any kind of porno type items at schools, just any kind?
I never said anything like this. I said the nude image on her phone is not in violation of policy
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You are saying she did not violate a policy because it was stated there was no policy SPECIFIC to cell phones.
I'm saying she didn't violate the cell phone policy because there is no cell phone policy to violate. I'm not twisting anything.
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She says the district told her there was no policy about “inappropriate material on her cell phone”
This is what I've been saying She did not violate the cell phone policy because there is no policy to violate.
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You're clearly twisting it around to say a quote SHE made stated she violated ZERO policies, and that simply is not true from the one quote I just posted.
I didn't twist anything. I've not said anyting different from the above. I never said she didn't violate any policy. I thought we were talking about the cell phone policy. That's all I've been talking about. But, I'm pretty sure she has at some point violated A policy. 100% of people violate a company policy probably damn near every day.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:15 pm to shel311
And if there isn't?
Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:16 pm to upgrayedd
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And if there isn't?
Well, then it's stupid obviously, because there should be a policy. WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?
Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:19 pm to NoHoTiger
quote:If there is a policy regarding inappropriate material at school(not one specific to how SHE worded it), then I think she violated it. Again, I think that's the entire crux of the debate.
I didn't twist anything. I've not said anyting different from the above. I never said she didn't violate any policy. I thought we were talking about the cell phone policy. That's all I've been talking about. But, I'm pretty sure she has at some point violated A policy. 100% of people violate a company policy probably damn near every day.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:20 pm to upgrayedd
quote:If there's no policy and teachers are free to bring any kind of inappropriate items to school, whether hidden or in plain view, then yes you guys are 100% correct and I am 100% incorrect.
And if there isn't?
If you can have polaroids of your nudies sprawled across your desk for everyone to see because there is no policy against inappropriate material at school like that, you got me, I admit I'm wrong.
Posted on 3/2/16 at 5:21 pm to NoHoTiger
quote:Sign me up for that school!!!
Well, then it's stupid obviously, because there should be a policy. WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?
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